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Margaret Kennedy married Joseph Sayers 1945 and went to usa with their daughtter ivy sometime between 1950-1965 but I cant find them on them on the assenger list. Ive only found joseph and ivy travelling to uk in 1956/7 but not margaret but cant see them leaving uk again. Is there a reason for this????

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sharonrose Report Edit Delete Mark this as answered 10 Jan 2012 13:08
Hi please can anyone advise me of what records i can search to find details of who lived in the house of 80 eglantine ave belfast in 1936/7 and if it was a guest house or family home. trying to trace family ancestors. thank you

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GlitterBaby Report Mark this as answered 10 Jan 2012 13:12
From British Phone Books on Ancestry

Name: S Hicks
Address: 80 Eglantine Sv
Exchange: Belfast
City/Town: Belfast
Directory Title: Glasgow / Edinburgh / Dundee / Aberdeen / Scotland Western / Northern Ireland
Publication Year: 1939
Directory County: Scotland, Ireland
Page Number: 56


Actually listed as Mrs G A Hicks on image



Name: Hicks . G.A Hicks
Address: 80 Eglantine Av
Exchange: Belfast
City/Town: Belfast
Directory Title: Glasgow / Northern Ireland / Scotland (West) Apr
Publication Year: 1959
Directory County: Renfrewshire, Scotland, Northern Ireland
Page Number: 1109


G a Hicks listed from 1936 to 1959

E A Hicks listed from 1960 to 1978

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Flick Report Mark this as answered 10 Jan 2012 13:14
There is another post about this......................

http://www.genesreunited.co.nz/boards.page/board/ancestors/thread/1279105



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Thanks Flick

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sharonrose Report Edit Delete Mark this as answered 31 Jan 2012 20:16
I found Margaret Kennedy on the 1937,8,9 electrol rolls while in Belfast unforturately the proni doesnt have any ones after these years so im unable to see how long Margaret stayed at eglantine ave belfast for. would any one have these electrol rolls who can look up the address for me please to see when she left the house or if got married while staying at this address please thankyou xx

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Flick Report Mark this as answered 1 Feb 2012 09:58
NO ER's for the WAR years

ER's don't, in any case, record marital status.

For that info, you need to look at BMD records



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sharonrose Report Edit Delete Mark this as answered 3 Feb 2012 13:48
Hi Flick, this is were i am struggling because all i have tired to find her was information that she was abt 24 in 1936 and ived at eglantine avenue but i dont know when she left as the war happen. i dont know if she died doing the blitz. Ive been proni and cant find any marriages of margaret kennedy or showing her as a mother and if she did married i dont know name thats why i was hoping to see on electrol rolls if she has changed name. i know that in 1952 only the hicks lived there onwrds. On ambrose her son certificate it shows her name as margaret kennedy formerly rus?en?an florencecourt on 5th dec 1936. Do you know if during the war everyone had to have id cards if true where could i find this information please

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sharonrose Report Edit Delete Mark this as answered 6 Mar 2012 13:15
Would there be any records for employment as working for the hicks as a domestic servant that anyone would know of please

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Flick Report Mark this as answered 6 Mar 2012 16:00
Unlikely in the extreme that you would find records of employment in a private house



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sharonrose Report Edit Delete Mark this as answered 16 Apr 2012 19:39
Was in Belfast over easter holidays at proni office and library and found out that Margaret kennedy was not at 80 Eglantine Avenue in 1946 so between 1940 and 1946 I think she may have got married or joined Army wrens forces as it was during the war period but i have been unable to get any further with finding this in the proni. Does anyone have a site i could search on free for marriages or maybe deaths during this period. I am told she was born 1912 as she was 24 yrs old in 1936. I just would like to get threw this brick wall and sort this bit of puzzle as i dont think she could disappear with no trace. I know she is in the records but running out of how to find her so i have narrowed it between 1940-46, Please can someone help me kindly to know what else i can search as im not to good at tracing people and i seem to go round the same records and searches. Thjank you all xx

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sharonrose Report Edit Delete Mark this as answered 19 Aug 2012 11:08
does anyone know of any records recorded in belfast for women or house holds during 1940-1947 please

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Reggie Report Mark this as answered 19 Aug 2012 11:16
Surely you have been given the answer to that already.



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sharonrose Report Edit Delete Mark this as answered 19 Aug 2012 11:21
im in belfast at moment so if people know that there maybe records held during the war time maybe to have notes of who survived the war


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Thank you. I have found the marriage for Margaret Kennedy to Joseph sayers but I cant find her parents in 1901. I know that her father was still married when he died at 68 years old but the brother Joseph was the informat and not the mother Sarah. I have looked for her death but cant find it and Ive rang the gro for a search but cant find it either but I know she was living when her husband had past away in june 1939 and her son was still at home

I found there marriage on ancestry but its not coming up on any paying site, so you have to order the marriage cert, you can get a photo copy for about 5 euro from groireland.ie. Sarah may have return home close to her due date to have her baby.

I found on ulster covenant 1912 that joseph and sarah was both in Co Cavan and he was at Railway Cottage. I see you had found their marriage in 1901 may i ask which site as i cant find it on the UFH or Emerald or Ancestry Sites i am subscribed to. I would like to see the details of the marriage and possible Margarets birth. If its a site I am not maybe subscribed to then it maybe useful for me to become a member as were you found them details maybe were the rest of my ancestors are. Regards Sharonrose

Its the only birth coming up for 1911, the family may have moved back to Longford before Margaret's birth.

Just realised that Margert Elizabeth Kennedy would have been born in Crenard, Co. Cavan and not Granard Co. Longford because the family was in Cavan 1911 census April and she was born 20.11.1911.

YOU ARE EXCELLENT MAURA, THANK YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH You had found the details of her parents I couldnt find. YOUR FANTASTIC XXXXXXX :-D

I have got passed to me from her son the adoption notes of where his mother lived which was eglantine ave. I have been to the gro when I was in Belfast many times and that is why I have asked if there is any other place I maybe able to search while Im in Belfast. Im grateful for all you help x

Title : Mr Date of Death : 22 April 1939
Surname : Kennedy Date of Grant : 2 June 1939
Forename : Joseph Reseal Date :
Registry : Londonderry Effects : Effects £698 13s 11d
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Kennedy Joseph pf Rossdanean Derrylester Florencecourt county Fermanagh farmer died 22 April 1939 Probate Londonderry 2 June to Joseph Alexander Kennedy farmer. Effects £698 13s. 11d.

You got her d.o.b. & mothers name from her death registration, that Margaret was born 20/11/1911, but she Margaret Elizabeth Kennedy

Name: Margaret Elizabeth Kennedy
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1911
Registration district: Granard [longford]
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 3
Page: 116
FHL Film Number: 101074

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Joseph Kennedy Jul-Aug-Sep 1901 Granard
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Sarah Emily Kenny Jul-Aug-Sep 1901 Granard

Census Years1911CavanBellananaghCrenardResidents of a house
Residents of a house 2 in Crenard (Bellananagh, Cavan)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Kennedy Joseph 39 Male Head of Family Irish Church Co Longford Railway Signalman Read and write English Married - - - -
Kennedy Sarah Emily 35 Female Wife Irish Church Co Longford - Read and write English Married - 9 3 2
Kennedy Joseph Alexander 8 Male Son Irish Church Co Longford - Read and write English Single - - - -
Kennedy Emily Gorgenia 4 Female Daughter Irish Church Co Longford - Cannot read English Single - - - -
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Your still not answering my question, how did you get from Margaret Kennedy in Malone place to Margaret Kennedy in Eglantine Ave, how do you know they are the same person? The national registry does not give parents names on it. You know you can't get her marriage online, you've been told many times that BMD's stop for N.Ireland in 1921

The Address on the National Register 1939 it gave her married name updation. I have checked the Births at gro, and on UHF, Emerald.ancestry but cant find her birth and marriage records

But what proof have you got that she the right one?, and you know where to get her marriage & birth records

Hi Maura I done the freedom of imformation act on the 1939 national registrar after watching who do you think you are as it stated that in ww2 everyone had to fill in the registrar and i recieved it yesterday which it shows Margaret DOB 20 nov 1911 and married name Sayers, she married Joseph Argyle Sayers 1945 Belfast but I cant seem to get the certificate details nor her birth one.

Her mum maiden name is Kenney and her dad Joseph Kennedy. She then had moved to USA Los Angeles so im that far at moment but cant find the certs for the marriage birth and told she buried in Inglewood cementry in Hollywood Los Angeles where the famous stars are buried.

You didn't copy & paste all the information from the threads, only 2 entry from 1 thread

These are 2 remaining thread on Margaret Kennedy
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1297442

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1310094

How do you know the Margaret Kennedy in Eglantine Ave is the one you after, I know you found a Margaret Kennedy in an electoral roll at that address, but that doesn't prove she yours. Plus Sharonrose you know you can't get BMD's online after 1922 for N.Ireland

Hi reggie i never deleted it, I was told to join to threds together so I copied and pasted them all into one as I still dont understand how to work this site in messaging. I requested freedom to information to the ration application in 1939 and it shows that Margaret Kennedy then had surname lined through and Sayer put above as the surname dated 23.9.1939 her DOB as 20.11.11 thanks for your help :-)

I find, on checking, that you have now deleted the post to which attention was drawn by Flick last year.............having already deleted another thread.

I wonder how much relevant info you have destroyed by doing so.............

First move......make certain that she married SAYERS..............'thinking' isn't a good basis for research