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Wow thank you everyone that is great I think you have cracked it as you say john and alice had a son riley and that wont be too common a name for a child so it as been transcribed wrong on Immanuel church on lancs online and the correct one i s thomas moors I have to write it all out to make it sink in . Thank you everyon it is much appreciated :-D

From the wonderful Lancashire Online Parish Clerks Project:
Baptisms at St James, Accrington

1848 23 July Elizabeth Moores, dau of Thomas (labourer) & Alice of Green Haworth. Baptised by J Hopwood

1850 13 Oct Thomas Moore other details as above

Looks like they haven't got to 1854 and Alice yet but do keep an eye on www.lan-opc.org.uk

1871 England Census
about Alice Moors Name: Alice Moors
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas Moors
Mother's name: Alice Moors
Gender: Female
Where born: Accrington, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: New Accrington
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Accrington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Haslingden
Sub-registration district: Accrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 10
Piece: 4144
Folio: 32
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Moors 54
Alice Moors 54
Alice Moors 18
William Moors 15
Sarah Moors 12
Riley Moors 10
Daniel Moors 6


Vera

all the info I have given is from the free Mormon LDS site - family search

the marriage details for the marriage Pam found but this time transcribed as Moss!

Marriage: 19 Dec 1875 Immanuel, Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
John Pickup - full Weaver bachelor of Whins? Road
Alice Moss - full Weaver spinster of Broadfield Moor
Groom's Father: Thomas Pickup, Machine Printer
Bride's Father: Thomas Moss, Labourer
Witness: Samuel Sladin; Sarah Moss, (X)
Married by certificate by: James A. Poole
Register: Marriages 1865 - 1877, Page 229, Entry 458
Source: LDS Film 1470816

sorry was a bit slow with this and realise that this has already been found

using lancashirebmd.org.uk all the childrens births show mmn as MOOR(E)S not Moss or Moon

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1876
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
PICKUP John Thomas Oswaldtwistle Preston MOORS OS/36/28

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1878
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
PICKUP William Oswaldtwistle Preston MOORS OS/38/82

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
PICKUP Joseph Oswaldtwistle Preston MOORES OS/41/6

lancs again
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1843
MOOR Thomas COUPE Alice Churck Kirk, St James Church Preston

Thanks! Geez,Maryb-I didn't even notice the 2 Riley's!!!

So I guess this is Mum and Dad?
Lancs BMDs
MOORES Riley Accrington Preston COUP ACC/21/38

Marriage: 27 Feb 1843 St James, Church Kirk, Lancashire, England
Thomas Moor - full age Labourer Bachelor of Oswaldtwistle
Alice Coupe - (X), full age Spinster of Oswaldtwistle
Groom's Father: Thomas Moor, Weaver
Bride's Father: Robert Coupe, Weaver
Witness: William Lightboun; George Haworth
Married by Banns by: Joseph Birchall
Register: Marriages 1837 - 1847, Page 142, Entry 284
Source: LDS Film 1470823

Maureen

That looks good to me! Well done!

BWs

Kim

And John and Alice had son Riley,so it looks like you both have cracked it.

Congrats,
Maryb.

Ahhhh! The plot thickens then!!!!!!!

Good one,Pam!!

Maureen

Have you tried Lancashirebmd?

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1873
PICKUP John SHACKELTON Alice Ann Oswaldtwistle, Immanuel

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1875
PICKUP John MOORS Alice Oswaldtwistle, Immanuel

Just throwing this in as I seem to keep coming back to this family and wondering how clear the handwriting is on the marriage cert.
(I think this Alice was born as Moores):

1861 census transcription details for: 3, Green Haworth, New Accrington

RG number: RG09 Piece: 3063 Folio: 28 Page: 3


Reg. District: Haslingden Sub District: 5 Accrington
Parish: New Accrington Enum. District: 8
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 3, Green Haworth, New Accrington
County: Lancashire


MOORS, Thomas Head Married M 42 1819 Labourer In A Cotton Mill
Accrington
Lancashire
MOORS, Alice Wife Married F 42 1819 Housewife
Accrington
Lancashire
MOORS, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 13 1848 Cotton Power Loom Weaver
Accrington
Lancashire
MOORS, Alice Daughter Unmarried F 8 1853 Half...In A Cotton Mill
Accrington
Lancashire
MOORS, William Son Unmarried M 6 1855 Scholar
Accrington
Lancashire
MOORS, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 2 1859
Accrington
Lancashire
MOORS, Riley Son Unmarried M 1 (17M) 1860
Accrington
Lancashire
MOORS, Thomas Father Widower M 85 1776 Panterer
Middleton
Lancashire


Just a thought!!

Maureen

Thank you everyone Kim Iam onancestry and cant find anything i am having to log off now but appreciate all the help given by you all thanks a million susan

There is another Alice Moss, daughter of Thomas on the 1861 but they are in Manchester:
RG09 pc2872 fol 21 pg 34

Thomas Moss head marr 30 Iron Plainer b Wigan
Jane Moss wife marr 27 b Manchester
Alice Moss dau 4 b Manchester
James Moss son 6 b Manchester
Elizabeth Courage wid 59 mother in law b Ireland
Address: 17 Agendiran Bridge, Ardwick, Manchester

There is one other Alice who was actually born 1854 but she was the daughter of Robert.

I've been working on Findmypast can anyone do better on Ancestry?

i dont think my last reply went through apologies anne that cant be right as thomass first child was b 1846 which would make him 11 thanks though where did you find the marriage of Moon and pickup

Susan, if it's the right one, the address is New Road, Clayton le Woods, Chorley.

St Andrew's church, Leyland, has the banns for Thomas's marriage:
20, 27 Sep & 4 Oct 1846, Thomas Moss and Catherine Clitheroe both of Clayton

If it is correct, she would not have been the first bride to lie about her age.

Once I've finished my sandwich, I'll be back on it!

no it cant be this marriage as thomass first child was b 1846 so that would have made him11

ann thank you for that it looks promising for thomas the marriage that safc as put on here is the one i have thank you for that anne where did you get the name moon

Thomas Pickup
England Marriages, 1538–1973

birth: 1835
marriage: 17 Mar 1866 —Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
parents: James Pickup
spouse: Sarah Baldwin

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: Thomas Pickup
groom's birth date: 1835
groom's age: 31
bride's name: Sarah Baldwin
bride's birth date: 1839
bride's age: 27
marriage date: 17 Mar 1866
marriage place: Oswaldtwistle, Lancashire, England
groom's father's name: James Pickup
bride's father's name: James Baldwin
groom's marital status: Widowed
bride's marital status: Single
indexing project (batch) number: M16198-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1470816