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Hi, Gary.

Welcome to the boards.

The thread you are replying to is dated September 2011 and Kimberley might not be checking it still.

Try sending her a personal message by clicking on her name.

hi my name is gary speller don't know if we are related to your spellers as far has ive traced back we come from essex

This is the marriage info Kimberly.

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Eira O Gough Name: Eira O Gough
Spouse Surname: Speller
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1942
Registration district: Builth
Inferred County: Breconshire
Volume Number: 11b
Page Number: 129
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

You need to note the Registration District, the Volume Number and Page Number and go to this site:

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

You will need to register as a new user. It doesn't cost anyhing to register.

Once you get into the GRO system, choose Marriage Cert England an Wales, and lower down where is asks "Is the GRO reference number known" choose Yes. And then enter the year 1942. That will take you to the next screen where you enter the District (Builth), the Volume (11b) and the page (129). I can't remember where it asks you what sort of service you want, but choose Standard, don't go for anything special. I also can't remember where it asks for your postal address.

You'll need to put in your credit card details and pay, and the certificate will be with you in just over a week.

It may not tell us anything stunning, but will confirm that we are on the right lines before we go further on;

Best wishes

Margaret

Yes i will meg, how do I order them please?

Kimberly, will you consider getting the marriage cert of James Frederick Speller and Eira Onita Gough?

Meg

I have partially bungled this.

Kimberly's father, John Charles Frederick Speller was born 14 December 1947 in Builth. He sadly died last year, and Kimberly I am sorry about this, he was not much older than me. The birth certificate (which Kimberly has) shows his father as James Frederick Speller and mother Eira Onita Gough. His brother Colin was also born in Builth, same parents.

Parents' marriage:

Name: SPELLER, James F
Registration District: Help Bulmer
County: Yorkshire
Year of Registration: 1942
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Gough
Volume No: Help 11B
Page No: Help 129

Name: GOUGH, Eira O
Registration District: Bulmer
County: Yorkshire
Year of Registration: 1942
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Speller
Volume No: 11B
Page No: 129

Would you believe that despite the uncommon surname there is a Frederick James Speller marrying a Doris Gough in Paddington in 1936. I thought we had got it wrong. This is clearly an irrelevant marriage, and I apologise for holding everyone up.

So it is James Frederick Speller who is Kimberly's grandfather.

Now we are looking for his parents. There are loads of possibles, and I think Kimberly has to get the marriage cert of James Frederick and Eira Onita to narrow down his father - both name and occupation.

There are several James Frederick Spellers born about the right time and unless she has the birth cert of James Frederick Speller or his marriage cert to determine his father we could be shooting in the dark.

Sorry for the delay folks, just wanted to get it right for Kimberly.

Meg

Hi meg, ive checked my dads birth certificate and his parents are James frederick Speller and Eira Onita Gough. At the time of my dads birth being registered they were living at 147 Bedwellty Road Aberbargoed which is the village I still live in.
My dad was born 14th december 1947, he passed away last year.
Kimberly

Hi meg, I have replied to your inbox.

Hello folks. I am not happy about the work you have been doing - it may be on the wrong people. I've sent Kimberly a PM about it, and I might be wrong, but I don't think we have the right Spellers.

I stand to be told otherwise when she replies.

The two boys John (her father), with two other forenames, but as he is likely still alive I am not putting them here, and his brother Colin (also with two other forenames), as she mentions, born Bulith, have mother's maiden name Gough.

So her grandparents could be Frederick J Speller and Doris Gough who married in Paddington in 1936.

Frederick J, not James Frederick. Might be the same man of course. But I think we should hold fire till Kimberly replies to me. There are lots of Frederick J Spellers born about the right year.

Meg

I understand what you mean meg, as I only have one uncle from this family who isnt able to clarify anything either. As I said my grandfather came to wales leaving the family he came from in the london area, so he dont know much, neither did my dad who has now passed away.
If you can say where I order these certificates from, I will get it done.
Thank you
Kimberly

Kimberly, just a little word of warning. Many of us helpers on here have relied on information from our relatives - and it has been wrong. However much your cousin might say so-and-so was our uncle, and however much your auntie and nan might agree - get proof please. It could all e wrong.

Lots of people are "sure" it is right, but don't have evidence. Get the certificates Kimberly. Please. There is no point in researching the wrong people. No point at all.

Get your own copy of the birth certificate for your grandfather. Get the marriage certificate of your grandparents too. Don't rely on word of mouth, find the evidence for yourself.

My husband was convinced that his dad's father was William Weaver. His cousins thought the same. And one cousin had built a tree going back 4 generations based on this information. It was wrong. A simple application for his mum and dad's marriage certificate showd that his father was James Weaver, not William. Not even the same family. And James turned out to be born in Preston, which solved the mystery of why my husband's dad was always interested in the fortunes of Preston North End Football Club. William Weaver, the wrong man, had nothing to do with the family.

So take care in what information you get from others, it could be totally wrong. Ask what their sources are - certificates for those from the 19th and 20th centuries. Reliable websites from anything older.

Meg

Aww, so I did have it wrong, thank you for that Mavis, I really appreciate your help. I have'nt had time to fill gaps in my tree yet with the kids home, but I will do soon, thank you.x

The parents of Charles [ Mar Q 1878] are James and Mary Ann Speller also on 1871 census as Spiller / 1881 Speller --- Charles is 3y old

if you look at the 1901 census page -- on this page with Charles and Elizabeth in a different house is Charles's Brother Henry M 28y and his wife Johanna 29y

James is James William Bp St Georges old brentford to James and Mary Ann born 21st July 1835 bp 30th July 1835

a younger sister Emily Eliza bp St Georges old brentford to James and Mary born Feb 28th 1846 Bp july 3rd 1846

Emily Eliza Spiller reg. Mar Q 1846 would give you mothers maiden name

James 1801 is born Essex and his wife Mary 1807 Gravesend Kent in 1851

I have looked through various census results and found out that Frederick Speller (b1831 according to 1891 census) and Emily Speller had four children: Charles (b1863), Arthur (b1865), Henry(b1869) and Thomas (b1883). They seem to be living throughout the period around the Camberwell/Peckham area.

In the 1871 census Emily is shown lodging with a family called the Paxtons with her children Charles, Arthur and Henry. Frederick Speller is not living with them in 1871.

In 1891 the three younger children have moved out and Frederick is living with Emily and Thomas.

I could open my tree to you but I dont know how to do it. I was just thinking anyway, it cant be the same family as the henry you have mentioned and his siblings dont match mine.
it would be great though, id love to know how much family I have and how many are still alive.

Mmm. I shall look into that. I am certain that the details that Gwyn has about Henry's father being Frederick and a farrier is correct. My grandad always said that his own grandfather (Henry's father) was a a farrier but knew no more.

Wouldn't it be great if we could track all these Spellers back! Kimberly, I shall have a look at other people's trees and see what they have got.

Well Im from Wales as my grandfather James came from london way and met my nan Eira who was from builth Wells, powys, they had 2 sons, my dad John and uncle Colin, who had 11 children between them, 5 boys, 6 girls....
So the name Speller is very rare here, I think theres only 3 entry's in the phone book!
Rowland, have you searched tree's for matches of other people as I have found a lady on here whos husbands father is my granchas brother.
Ive looked at here tree and she has put a frank in as my granchas brother, but I have'nt found out about him yet, Im wondering if hes in the wrong place on her tree and should one of henrys children.

The specific details of the family that I am track. Have the following record in the 1911 census:

Household information

Address: 15 Seldon Road Nunhead S E
Parish: St Paul Deptford
Town: Nunhead S E
Type of Building: Private House
Number of Rooms: 3
Inhabited: Y
Reference: RG14PN2645 RG78PN90 RD28 SD3 ED4 SN291
Administrative County: London
Registration District: Greenwich
Registration Sub District: Deptford South
Enumeration District : 4

Householder 1
Name: Henry Speller
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Total Children Born Alive: 5
Children Still Living: 5
Gender: M
Age: 42
Estimated Year of Birth: 1869
Occupation: Pedler In Merchandie
Employed: Y
Working at Home: N
Place of Birth: Surry Parish Bermondsey

Householder 2
Name: Caroline Speller
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Condition / Years Married: 13 Years
Gender: F
Age: 37
Estimated Year of Birth: 1874
Employed: Y
Working at Home: N
Place of Birth: Surrey Parish Bermondsey

Householder 3
Henry Speller
Son
11
b1900
Born Surrey Camberwell

Householder 4
Albert Arthur Speller
Son
7
b1904
Born Kent Lewisham

Householder 5
Frederick Speller
Son
6
b1905
Born Surry Camberwell

Householder 6
Nellie Speller
Daughter
3
b1908
Born Surry Camberwell

Householder 7
Robert Speller
Son
1
b1910
Born Surry Deptford

http://gbnames.publicprofiler.org/

Hi Kimberly and Gwyn,

That's interesting information. The Speller surname is relatively rare and even more so historically. If you use the following website it shows you the geographical distribution of surnames and it shows that in 1881 most people with a Speller name were living in Essex. I have a feeling that most Spellers could track themselves back to one or two families from that area.