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Births Jun 1893 (>99%)
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Hamber Lilburn Douglas Newton A. 5b 143


Newton Abbott is in Devon

1911
BROWNING, William Ernest Boarder Single M 81 1830 Barrister Rtd Judge Colonial Bench Middlesex Brompton (image says Married)
COAKE, Joseph Young Fitz Boarder Single M 50 1861 Civil Engineer Rtd Ireland Londonderry

RG number:
RG14 Piece:
504 Reference:
RG14PN504 RG78PN17 RD6 SD1 ED10 SN112

Registration District:
Westminster Sub District:
St James and St Anne Enumeration District:
10 Parish:
St James Westminster

Address:
63 St James ST County:
London

Hello Susanne, no luck on Frances as yet, above is William Ernst...she is at 10, Earls Court Road in 1913, as Claud and family are on a passenger list going back to USA, and gave this as their address here, have checked on this in Census in case, but no luck, not with son Lancelot in Hampshire either, where she is at her Death in 1915.
One that's annoying, lol.

Chris :)

(William Ernst is on Probate Index 1916 Kent)

Thanks to everybody for all the research & comments - much appreciated
Perchino - your comment about Hamber Lilburn Douglas Newton A. 5b 143

Eliza, Leila as she was known was pregnant the same time as my great gran. Don't know who she was visiting but she gave birth 118 Newton Abbott Road, Devon, England. She returned to London and had him baptised just before he died.

She must have known about his other family.
Lilburn senior was sick living at Hastings, East Sussex England 4 Victoria Cottages, Paddock Wood, Kent. Emma Mouton his childhood nanny ref 1861 census and went to look after him & was with him when he died.

Regarding the Webmaster site- I've been in contact but some of his info is wrong and the Hamber line is not being update.

Chris
I registered with the Lancashire newspaper online website. Spent half the night going through all the Hambers - found a few with addittonal information.
A site I'm going to find very useful for other research.

I've been downloading some of the ships manifests on GR.
Thanks for the William Ernest Browing 1911 info - will download it. Would never have found it on my own.
The main reason I've been looking for Frances 1911 census to see how many children she gave birth to. As they all except for Francis Arthur Werger Hamber don't seem to have birth certs it is the only way to find out if she had any other children who may have died.

Francis Arthur has a birth cert but after 1871 I've can't find him

Gosh this is long but the info & advise I'm getting from everybody is worth it :-D

Glad to see you joined the Library Susanne, plenty of BMD's in there!, 19th Century Newspapers is the one, then you can narrow it down by years search, and then category People...the Births are small snippets usually just saying 'of a son or daughter', funnily enough I can't see one for Francis Arthur, or more for him after 1871...(the outgoing Passenger Lists on Find My Past start at 1890 - 1960 if he went earlier) but not seeing anything on Ancestry with a general search of his name.

All very interesting, just need Frances 1911...

Chris :)

(Death notice for Frances Browning in the Times)

Chris could you please snd me the the url link to the Times notice :-S

http://infotrac.galegroup.com/itw/infomark/531/783/158844735w16/purl=rc1_TTDA_0_CS17237179&dyn=7!xrn_2_0_CS17237179&hst_1?sw_aep=lancs

Not sure it will work Susanne, probably best if you pm your e mail addy, and I'll send it...

Chris :)

Chris

Thanks so much. It worked fine. I right clicked and save it as an image on my PC.

May contact you later have to go and cut the grass now before it rains again :-D

Name Frances Jane S Hamber
Year of Marriage 1904
Quarter of Marriage Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District Lanchester
Registration County Durham
Spouse's Surname Only available for records after 1912
Volume Number 10A
Volume Page 518

Married:

Name Robert Wharton Palmer
Year of Marriage 1904
Quarter of Marriage Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District Lanchester
Registration County Durham
Spouse's Surname Only available for records after 1912
Volume Number 10A
Volume Page 518

Where did you find the reference to a marriage to William Ernst Browning?

William Ernst Browning marriage:

Name William Ernst Browning
Year of Marriage 1904
Quarter of Marriage Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District Lanchester
Registration County Durham
Spouse's Surname Only available for records after 1912
Volume Number 10A
Volume Page 517
What next? View a copy of the original image: Free

View original record Spouse MatchWilliam Ernst Browning married one of the people below:

Isabel CALVERT View
Frances Jane B CLAMBER View
William WALLACE View

From freebmd:

Marriages Dec 1904 (>99%)
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Gatis Henry Lanchester 10a 518
Hamber Frances Jane S Lanchester 10a 518
King Elizabeth Beatrice Lanchester 10a 518
Palmer Robert Wharton Lanchester 10a 518
Tweddle Jane Lanchester 10a 518

But she died as Frances J S Browning.

I think that Frances Jane B Clamber is the same lady.

1911 North rd Spennymoor.
Robert W Palmer 1884 Durham
Beatrice 1884 married 6 years,so is this Robert Wharton palmer and Beatrice elizabeth King married 1904??

Maryb

The William Ernst Browning marriage is reference page 517 but Frances Jane Sarah Hamber reference is page 518. The only way to be sure is to obtain a copy of Frances Jane Sarah Hamber's marriage certificate under these references:

Year of Marriage 1904
Quarter of Marriage Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District Lanchester
Registration County Durham
Spouse's Surname Only available for records after 1912


Free BMD:
Gatis Henry Lanchester 10a 518
Hamber Frances Jane S Lanchester 10a 518
King Elizabeth Beatrice Lanchester 10a 518
Palmer Robert Wharton Lanchester 10a 518
Tweddle Jane Lanchester 10a 518

Volume Number 10A
Volume Page 518


Henry Gatis is another possible husband.

1911 Low greencroft Lanchester Durham
Henry gattis 1880
Jane (Tweddle)? 1886 married 6years = 1904 as above.

So that is Robert W Palmer with Beatrice in 1911
Henry Gattis and Jane in 1911

So that leaves Frances and William Browning!!
We have found William Ernst Browning in 1911 and Frances J S Browning's death,so what are the chances of Frances not marrying William Ernst Browning or am I missing something.

Maryb

Looks as though there is a problem in the original record as the page references are not consistent in two sources.The only way to be sure is to obtain a copy of the marriage certificate.

Gosh just seen all the messages.
It is the same marriage - I followed the addreses carefully and they are same as 2 of the Hamber children. The original entry was incorrectly spelt and amended.
The conclusion is the death notice
The Times, Thursday, May 27, 1915; pg. 1
which was put in the paper by her son Major L S B Hamber saying Frances wife of William Ernst browning widow of Frederick Marsh hamber
died 22 May 1915 age 82 Canada newspapers to note
The adress is the same as Williams 1911 census.
Lancelot Cecil Bray Hamber uk adress who lived in Canada

The only thing left is where was she in 1911 :-D

Probably on holiday somewhere.

Maryb