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you're welcome

most of us on here have been sent on a wild goose chase by something a relative has told us in our research, only to prove them slightly wrong (or a complete wawa)!

at the end of the day it's about putting the stories together and then finding the evidence to support it.

trust me I'm still persuading my father that his grandmother wasn't Spanish (nor was her mother, grandmother or great grandmother)

I really would recommend getting some of the certificates suggested just to help you.

x

its hard work when my grandad dont remember anything about them.

thanks for your help guys

Do you still think they 'didn't come from Gloucester'?

Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
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Ireland Dorothy F Rogers Gloucester 6a 607
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And - once again - for PROOF


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Births Dec 1914 (>99%)
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Ireland Audrey M L Rogers Gloucester 6a 501

Flick

Dorothy Ireland was my great grandmothers sister. thanks flick

With respect Laura,you arent thinking logically . How can she have had a child in 1932 if she was born in 1924 ??

This is her death

Name: Audrey Margaret L Kelson
Birth Date: 27 Nov 1914
Date of Registration: Mar 1993
Age at Death: 78
Registration district: Newport
Inferred County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire, Shropshire, Staffordshire
Register number: A25C
District and Subdistrict: 8362A
Entry number: 67

In that case, Laura, find the marriage record, and post the details here to validate your assertion

If you can find one apart from this one, I'll be astonished

Marriages Dec 1931 (>99%)
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Ireland Audrey M L Kelson Newport M. 11a 403
Kelson Henry J Ireland Newport M. 11a 403

And I'll also be astonished if someone born - as you say - in 1924 could be having a child in 1932!!!!!!!!!

I'm afraid you're going to have to re-think your ideas about Audrey

Try looking at the info posted with an open mind......................

pm sent to Laura re birth of her grandfather and his siblings

Graham H 1932
Audrey M 1937
Sylvia L 1944
Philip J 1945

all born Newport (Monmouthshire) which matches up with marriage of Henry J Kelson Audrey M L Ireland in Newport in 1931

I have searched for all Audreys marrying a Kelson and all Irelands marrying a Kelson and the only one coming up is marriage of Henry J Kelson and Audrey M L Ireland in Newport in 1931

Laura have you seen any of her children's birth certs to see what Audrey's full name was or has anyone told you what Audrey's middle name was please?

Thanks everyone. my family didnt come from gloucester. Audrey m l Ireland is not my great grandmother. It was Audrey j Ireland who married Henry john Kelson. they had 4 children Graham, Audrey, Sylvia and Philip.
Thats all i know.
Graham is my grandad.

Thank you all for your help

Name: Dorothy F Ireland
Spouse Surname: Moreland
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1936
Registration district: Caerleon
Inferred County: Monmouthshire
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 553
Find Spouse: Frederick G
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Name: Dorothy F Moreland
Birth Date: abt 1913
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1942
Age at Death: 29
Registration district: Newport
Inferred County: Gwent
Volume: 11a
Page: 133

Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
IRELAND William LYES Eliza Gloucester Upton St.Leonards St Leonard 1876 73 No 1 219

1891

Name: Walter Ireland
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Ireland
Mother's name: Elizabeth Ireland
Gender: Male
Where born: Upton St Leonard, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Upton St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: Matson
Town: Gloucester
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England


Registration district: Gloucester
Sub-registration district: South Hamlet
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2015
Folio: 89
Page Number: 37
Household Members: Name Age
William Ireland 40
Elizabeth Ireland 41
Frederick Ireland 14
Florence Ireland 12
George Ireland 11
Harry Ireland 10
Ethel Ireland 8
Walter Ireland 4
Emily Ireland 2

I must stess that the info I have posted is all speculative.....you must obtain cert(s) to verify

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name Year District Office Register Entry
IRELAND Edith Mary IRELAND IRELAND LYES 1886 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 49 403
IRELAND Ernest William IRELAND IRELAND LYES 1891 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 58 305
IRELAND Ethel Kate IRELAND IRELAND LYES 1884 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 47 202
IRELAND Florence Edith IRELAND IRELAND LYES 1879 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 39 25
IRELAND Hubert Henry IRELAND IRELAND LYES 1893 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 61 223

IRELAND Walter William IRELAND IRELAND LEES 1887 Gloucester Gloucester, South Hamlet 52

Again.............????????

1911

Person: IRELAND, Walter
Address: Rance Lane


IRELAND, William Head Married M 60 1851 General Labourer Glos Upton St Leonards VIEW
IRELAND, Eliza Wife Married
33 years F 56 1855 Glos Brockworth VIEW
IRELAND, Walter Son Single M 24 1887 General Labourer Glos Upton St Leonards VIEW
IRELAND, Ernest William Son Single M 18 1893 Slate Enameller Glos Upton St Leonards VIEW
IRELAND, Hubert Henry Son Single M 17 1894 Slate Sawyer's Assistant Glos Upton St Leonards VIEW
IRELAND, Hilda May Daughter Single F 15 1896 Glos Upton St Leonards VIEW
IRELAND, Louisa Daughter F 10 1901 School Glos Upton St Leonards VIEW
IRELAND, Dora Georgina Daughter F 8 1903 School Glos Upton St Leonards VIEW
IRELAND, Eva Winifred Daughter F 8 1903 School Glos Upton St Leonards VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
15299 Reference:
RG14PN15299 RG78PN926 RD325 SD3 ED5 SN71

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IRELAND, WALTER
Initials: W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Gloucestershire Regiment
Unit Text: 2nd Bn.
Date of Death: 10/05/1915
Service No: 7739
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 22 and 34.
Memorial: YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
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Ancestry version

Name: Walter Ireland
Birth Place: Matson, Glos
Death Date: 10 May 1915
Death Location: France & Flanders
Enlistment Location: Bristol
Rank: Private
Regiment: Gloucestershire Regiment
Battalion: 2nd Battalion
Number: 7739
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Western European Theatre


The father of someone born in 1914 would NOT have served in WW2...............the only possible WW2 death would have been as a civilian casualty.

Oh dear, so much time wasted because the original info was inaccurate!

And no apparent notice taken of the CORRECT info posted by tempest

Audrey's sister........................................

Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
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Ireland Dorothy F Rogers Gloucester 6a 607

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Marriages Mar 1913 (>99%)
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Ireland Walter Rogers Gloucester 6a 507
Rogers Florence A Ireland Gloucester 6a 507

Hi Laura

have you read the bit about Audrey M L and not Audrey J, I posted?

victoria and willie are the wrong ppl. my grandad cant remember her name being victoria. he said it was a short name.
im going to ask his sister when i visit in a couple of weeks. thanks everyone for your help

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How can Audrey have married in 1931 if she was born in 1924 ??

Think you may have got something wrong somewhere. If so all the records posted for willie Ireland etc don't make sense ??? :-( :-(

Theers no record of a Willie/William Ireland on the CWGC site as a WW2 casualty. he seems to have died in Weston Super Mare the same as Victoria :-(