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As you may know, one can buy BMD certs thru the GRO and the local RO (local to where the event occurred).
Some online local BMD indices (incl Tower Hamlets) are available via:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd

The local RD organizes its registers differently from the GRO, and their local ref gives the subdistrict a B or D was rego'ed in. With the aid of their RD history page, you can figure out what this is.

Also for M's, their index gives the entry #, rather than the page #, so you can figure out who John Smith wed, even when the GRO index just gives you the choices of Mary Evans or Mary Jones. The ref also indicates the church, but Tower Hamlets just leaves this as C1, C2, etc., and leaves you to guess they refer to St Francis Xavier, Ste Marie among the Hurons, etc. - some local RDs have a web page that decodes this (e.g., S Tyneside), but not Tower Hamlets.

Thatnks for clearing that up and for the witness suggestions. :)

That marriage does read Elizabeth Anne Collins NOT Collias as transcribed. His father is John Humprey Munt NOT Hambrey.

Witness Charles Suger??

Witness Lorain is Louisa maybe Odd

Name: Alfred Thomas Munt
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Spouse Name: Marian Green
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 01 Jun 1852
Parish: St Mary, Newington
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John Humphrey Munt
Spouse Father Name: John Green (gentleman - deceased)

witnesess:- Thomas Johnson and Ann (looks like) Cox


Name: Alfred Thomas Munt
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Ann Collias
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 15 Feb 1860
Parish: St Thomas, Stepney
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Hambrey Munt
Spouse Father Name: John Collias

Witnesses:- Charles ?(Tuper or Tusser) and (looks like) Lorain Dod
writing is really difficult to make out, sorry!

Just a thought - are there any witnesses on these marriage registers? Or are there marriage banns with witnesses?

Peter, I think you need to post that as a new topic otherwise nobody will spot it.

Yes Alfred was a twin, Edwin died in 1850, although I don't know what of. can you see a burial for Edwin? I have the other brothers, although the John born in 1824 has confused me, as another John was born 2 years later - maybe he died?

I've managed to trace John Humphrey and his parents back to 1770. His father was a Peter Munt born in Midlesex and his mother was ELizabeth, possibly Mills born 1773.

John's wife Sarah was Sarah Ray born around 1800 sometime (that's just an estimate) and she had a brother Henry Ray who was born St Martins Middlesex in 1806 He married a Harriet.

I have talked to the people whose trees you mention, they are related to the other side of my family the Tulls, who married Alfred Thomas' son Edwin Alfred. They have some info on the munts but nothing more than me.

I asked about whether Alfred was a batchelor as I just found a 1851 census for Alfred T Mount born 1828 in Surrey, living with his wife Ann. His occupation was a journeyman engineer. I've never been able to locate Alfred on the 1851 census and wondered whether this might have been him!

my inqury relates to to thomas jefferson randoph oxley born 1818/1819
born in U.S.A
he married in 1855 at st john the baptist in hoxton middlesex .
does not say anything on marriage cert whether married before?
but he has a daughter (my great great grandmother) born ABOUT1840
he is on the 1841 census as 23 yrs and as gentleman
cant find any marriage or when he came back to UK with father.
can anyone help ( i have hit a brick wall on this relative) thanks

Found these too??

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Henry Peter Munt
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: Lambeth, Surrey, England
parents: John Humphrey Munt, Sarah Munt
record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Henry Peter Munt
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 05 Dec 1830
baptism/christening place: St. Mary's, Lambeth, Surrey, England
father's name: John Humphrey Munt
mother's name: Sarah Munt
indexing project (batch) number: I01658-2
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1041528

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Edwin Richd Munt
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 19 Apr 1828 —England
residence: 1828 —Southwark, Surrey, England
parents: John Humphrey Munt, Sarah Munt
record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Edwin Richd Munt
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 10 Aug 1828
baptism/christening place: Southwark, Surrey, England
birth date: 19 Apr 1828
birthplace: England
father's name: John Humphrey Munt
mother's name: Sarah Munt
indexing project (batch) number: C01742-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 394844

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Alfred Thos Munt
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 19 Apr 1828 —England
residence: 1828 —Southwark, Surrey, England
parents: John Humphrey Munt, Sarah Munt
record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Alfred Thos Munt
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 10 Aug 1828
baptism/christening place: Southwark, Surrey, England
birth date: 19 Apr 1828
birthplace: England
father's name: John Humphrey Munt
mother's name: Sarah Munt
indexing project (batch) number: C01742-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 394844

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John Henry Munt
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: Lambeth, Surrey, England
parents: John Humphrey Munt, Sarah
record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: John Henry Munt
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 12 Mar 1826
baptism/christening place: St. Mary's, Lambeth, Surrey, England
father's name: John Humphrey Munt
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: I01674-3
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1041527

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John Munt
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: London, England
parents: John Humphrey Munt, Sarah
record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: John Munt
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 13 Oct 1824
baptism/christening place: SAINT MARTIN IN THE FIELDS,WESTMINSTER,LONDON,ENGLAND
father's name: John Humphrey Munt
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: C03721-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 933987

John Humphrey Munt

England Marriages, 1538–1973


marriage: 30 Nov 1823 —Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster, London, England
spouse: Sarah Ray

record title: England Marriages, 1538–1973
groom's name: John Humphrey Munt
bride's name: Sarah Ray
marriage date: 30 Nov 1823
marriage place: Saint Martin In The Fields,Westminster,London,England
indexing project (batch) number: M00145-4
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 561168

Was Alfred a twin?????
These have the same birth date as well as christening date.

Some children are christened on the same day even though they are born at different times but these are the same birth date??

Results for: Munt, Any Event, 1820 - 1860, England, British Isles
Father: John Humphrey , Mother: Sarah
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: C022442
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1. EDWIN RICHARD MUNT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 19 APR 1828
2. EDWIN RICHARD MUNT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 AUG 1828 St George The Martyr, Southwark, London, England
3. ALFRED THOMAS MUNT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 19 APR 1828
4. ALFRED THOMAS MUNT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 AUG 1828 St George The Martyr, Southwark, London, England

I wonder if there is a connection?

Henry Humphrey Munt

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


birth: 1764
residence: 1764 —Westminster, London, England
parents: John Munt, Susanna

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Henry Humphrey Munt
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 1764
baptism/christening place: ST. JAMES, WESTMINSTER, MIDDLESEX, ENGLAND
birth date: 1764
father's name: John Munt
mother's name: Susanna
indexing project (batch) number: C13551-2
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1042308

1841 census???

MUNT, John M 50 1791 Hertfordshire
MUNT, Ann F 50 1791 Hertfordshire
MUNT, John M 15 1826 Hertfordshire
MUNT, Thomas M 15 1826 Hertfordshire
MUNT, George M 13 1828 Hertfordshire
MUNT, Alfred M 10 1831 Hertfordshire
MUNT, Eliza F 7 1834 Hertfordshire
MUNT, Hannah F 2 1839 Hertfordshire

RG number: HO107 Piece: 435 Book/Folio: 2/6 Page: 6
Registration District: Ware Sub District: Ware
Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish: Thundridge Municipal Borough:
Address: Wade's Mill, Thundridge County: Hertfordshire


Note:
In the 1841 Census a policy of rounding down ages was in place.

* As such people aged:
* 15-19 were recorded as 15;
* 20-24 were recorded as 20;
* 25-29 were recorded as 25;
* 30-34 were recorded as 30;
* 35-39 were recorded as 35;

Just a thought, have you tried Search Trees on this site? There are 3 other members who have Alfred Munt (1828) in their trees.

You could contact them to see if you have a connection?

Yes, he was a bachelor when he married Marian.

Alfred is an Engineer on both marriages.

John Humphrey is listed as a Chaser (deceased) on the marriage to Marion Green.
John Green is listed as a Gentleman (deceased).

John Humphrey is listed as only deceased on the marriage to Elizabeth Ann Collins.
John Collins is listed as only deceased.

That could well be a possibility.

Just to add to the confusion, Alfred's marriage to Marian was definitely his first wasn't it. He is listed as a bachelor?

Going back to Tower Hamlets reference there is this family in 1841 census???

COLLINS, John M 55 1786
COLLINS, Sarah F 45 1796
COLLINS, Eliza F 20 1821
COLLINS, Hannah F 20 1821
COLLINS, John M 15 1826
COLLINS, Sarah F 15 1826
COLLINS, Elizabeth F 10 1831
COLLINS, Susannah F 8 1833
COLLINS, Rachael F 5 1836

RG number: HO107 Piece: 698 Book/Folio: 10/24 Page: 4
Registration District: Hackney Sub District: Hackney
Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish: Hackney Municipal Borough: Tower Hamlets
Address: Lea Road Clapton, Hackney, Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex



I will check those marriages for you again.

Just to clarify John Humphrey is listed as a chaser on both marriages, and Alfred Thomas is listed as an engineer on both?

I've tried looking on the census for Elizabeth but as I don't know when her father John died I don't know whether he ought to be on there with her or not. Elizabeth Collins seems to be a very popular name in London unfortunately!