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Yes, seems very likely.

We'll never know for sure.

I’d put a small stake on Barron for Gertrude’s father

If you still want to know about Thomas Fowler, he was born c1865 in Spalding , Lincs.

Thomas Fowler
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Thomas Fowler
Gender: Male
Age: 26
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1865
Spouse: Sarah A Fowler
Child: Gertrude Fowler
Ethel M Fowler
Birth Place: Spalding, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: St Botolph
Ecclesiastical parish: St Botolph
Residence Place: Boultham, St Botolph, Lincolnshire, England
Registration District: Lincoln
Sub registration district: Lincoln Home
ED, Institution or Vessel: 9
Neighbors:
Piece: 2590
Folio: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Fowler 26
Sarah A Fowler 28
Gertrude Fowler 5
Ethel M Fowler 2


Same YOB and POB given in 1901 census.

There's no father named on Gertrude's birth cert, so we don't know who her father was.

He may, or may not, have been Thomas Fowler, for all we know.

I don't see him on censuses before marriage.
You need the marriage cert to see who his father was.

ADDED:

Ah, it looks as though Thomas was also illegitimate - no father shown at birth:

FOWLER, THOMAS -
GRO Reference: 1864 D Quarter in SPALDING Volume 07A Page 306 Occasional Copy: A

Name: Sarah Annie Prince
Registration Year: 1888
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Lincoln
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 671
Records on Page:
Name Thomas Fowler
Sarah Annie Prince

RIGHT.......................................................

Gertrude was illegitimate.........her father was NOT Fowler, so NO need to pursue that line

PRINCE, GERTRUDE ALICE BARRON - --------------------
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in LINCOLN Volume 07A Page 536

You've asked about this previously - I've accessed the 1939 register before

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1273168

Gertrude DIED in 1936

This is her death....................

First name(s) Gertrude A
Last name Holloway
Gender Female
Age 50
Death quarter 3
Death year 1936

...............NO indication of a third forename

and NO birth to match the age at death

Where did you get the info about a birth in Lincs in 1886 and the names of the alleged parents?

Have you got the 1913 marriage cert to see whether she knew her father? AND to verify her second forename

have you actually found the record of the marriage between `Holloway and Fowler?

It will be easily found on freebmd if it exists

Have you found the birth registration for Gertrude on the GRO site which includes MMN?

I wonder if you would help me please
I am researching William Holloway born 1843 Halesowen and his wife Mary Ann Loughnane born Ireland

I understand they had a Son Arthur Holloway born 1886 Tuxford Nottinghamshire
Who married Gertrude A B Fowler born 1886 Lincolnshire
Mother and Father
Thomas Fowler and Sarah Annie ??
I have traced Sarah Annie Prince born Lincolnshire father Peter Prince
But just don’t seam to be able to Find Thomas Fowler

I wonder if you would be able to find Sarah Annie Prince and Thomas Fowler Marriage for me please
Thankyou
Olive Jean

Hi

Yes that maybe William Family,any trace of Army for him please???
As I havnt got acsess to Ancesrty
From Olive :-)

Maybe ?


Deaths Mar 1859
HOLLOWAY Caroline - Stourbridge 6c 109


Have you looked on freebmd and familysearch.org for any of these details. They are freely available,

Hi
I wonder if William Holloway jioned the Army between 1861 Census and 1881 Census.as on the 1881 Census it is stated him as Staff Sergt Militia.

And maybe his Parents have died before the 1861 Census as he is living with his Uncle or Aunt
Any ideas
Olive
:-)

William's parents ?
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Marriages Dec 1838 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
HARRIS Caroline - Stourbridge 18 598
HOLLOWAY Henry - Stourbridge 18 598


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HENRY HOLLOWAY --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Marriages:
Spouse: CAROLINE HARRIS
Marriage: 21 OCT 1838 Halesowen, Worcester, England




CHILDREN
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1. GEORGE HOLLOWAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 21 MAY 1839 Halesowen, Worcester, England
.........DIED 30TH JUNE 1840


2. GEORGE HOLLOWAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 MAY 1840 Halesowen, Worcester, England

..... Strange they should name 2nd son George before the 1st one had died !!
Think the dates need checking.


3. JOHN HOLLOWAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 24 JAN 1849 Halesowen, Worcester, England

4. JANE HOLLOWAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 13 NOV 1845 Halesowen, Worcester, England

5. WILLIAM HOLLOWAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 28 DEC 1842 Halesowen, Worcester, England

6. HENRY HOLLOWAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 01 MAR 1847 Halesowen, Worcester, England

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Husband's Name
William HOLLOWAY (AFN:MCX8-Q6) Pedigree

Born: 1719 Place:
Christened: 31 Mar 1719 Place: Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England
Married: 25 Mar 1749 Place: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England

Father: Samuel HOLLOWAY (AFN:N8GB-Z2) Family
Mother: Mary HOLLOWAY (AFN:N8GC-06)

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Wife's Name
Elizabeth EATON (AFN:MCX8-RC) Pedigree

Born: 1727 Place:
Christened: 21 Mar 1727 Place: Bilston, Staffordshire, England
Married: 25 Mar 1749 Place: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England

Father: Joseph EATON (AFN:N8GC-HR) Family
Mother: Margaret EATON (AFN:N8GC-3P)

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Children

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1. Sex Name
M William HOLLOWAY (AFN:MCX8-TP) Pedigree

Born: 1751 Place: Halesowen, Worcester, England
Christened: 15 Dec 1751 Place: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England

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2. Sex Name
M Thomas HOLLOWAY (AFN:22H1-JRD) Pedigree

Born: 30 Jan 1750 Place: Hasbury, , Worcestershire, England

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3. Sex Name
F Elizabeth HOLLOWAY (AFN:MCX8-X7) Pedigree

Born: 3 Feb 1760 Place: Hasbury, , Worcestershire, England
Christened: 3 Feb 1760 Place: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England

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4. Sex Name
M John HOLLOWAY (AFN:MCX8-VV) Pedigree

Born: 24 Feb 1754 Place: Hasbury, , Worcestershire, England
Christened: 24 Feb 1754 Place: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England

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5. Sex Name
M Edward HOLLOWAY (AFN:MCX8-ZD) Pedigree

Born: 28 Mar 1763 Place: Hasbury, , Worcestershire, England
Christened: 28 Feb 1763 Place: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
Died: 28 Mar 1763 Place:
Buried: 28 Feb 1763 Place: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England

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6. Sex Name
M Henry HOLLOWAY (AFN:MCX9-0J) Pedigree

Born: 25 Jul 1764 Place: Hasbury, , Worcestershire, England
Christened: 25 Jul 1764 Place: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England

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7. Sex Name
M Samuel HOLLOWAY (AFN:MCX8-W2) Pedigree

Born: 12 Aug 1756 Place: Hasbury, , Worcestershire, England
Christened: 15 Aug 1756 Place: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England

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8. Sex Name
M Thomas HOLLOWAY (AFN:MCX8-SJ) Pedigree

Born: 5 Nov 1749 Place: Halesowen, Worcester, England
Christened: 5 Nov 1749 Place: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England

in case it's of use to you later on

Husband's Name
Samuel HOLLOWAY (AFN:N8GB-Z2) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1693 Place: Rowley Regis, Stafford, England
Married: Abt 1718 Place: Halesowen, Worcs, England

Father:
Mother:

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Wife's Name
Mary HOLLOWAY (AFN:N8GC-06) Pedigree

Born: Abt 1697 Place: Rowley Regis, Stafford, England
Married: Abt 1718 Place: Halesowen, Worcs, England

Father:
Mother:

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Children

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1. Sex Name
M William HOLLOWAY (AFN:MCX8-Q6) Pedigree

Born: 1719 Place:
Christened: 31 Mar 1719 Place: Rowley Regis, Staffordshire, England

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2. Sex Name
F Mary HOLLOWAY (AFN:N8GC-1C) Pedigree

Born: 1723 Place:
Christened: 13 Jan 1723 Place: Rowley Regis, Stafford, England

William Holloway
England and Wales Census, 1881

birth: 1844 —Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
residence: 1881 —Newark Upon Trent, Nottinghamshire, England
census: 1881 —Newark Upon Trent, Nottinghamshire, England
spouse: Mary A Holloway
children: Caroline Holloway, Henry G Holloway...

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: William Holloway
age: 37
gender: Male
birth year: 1844
birthplace: Halesowen, Worcestershire, England
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession/occupation: Staff Sergt Militia
address: 15 Eldon St
census place: Newark Upon Trent, Nottinghamshire, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341807
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 3375 / 36
page number: 23


William Holloway
England and Wales Census, 1861

birth: 1843 —Halesowen, Worcestershire
residence: 1861 —Ridgacre, Worcestershire, England
census: 1861 —Ridgacre, Worcestershire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1861
name: William Holloway
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Male
age: 18
relationship to head of household: Nephew
birthplace: Halesowen, Worcestershire
record type: Household
registration district: Stourbridge
sub-district: 1 Halesowen
ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Quinton
civil parish: Ridgacre
county:

Guessing here ...

Just posting possibles.... but seems likely seeing as William named his first 2 children after his mum and dad ...

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William Holloway --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 28 DEC 1842 Halesowen, Worcester, England

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Parents:
Father: Henry Holloway
Mother: Caroline

As Halesowen comes under Stourbridge, this may well be him


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Births Mar 1841
Holloway William James - Stourbridge 18 460

Hi Mike
Thankyou
Olive

HI Mike.
Thankyou
Would it be possilbe to trace William backwards for me please,and maybe you might find an Army record some where for me Please.
Olive
:-)

As first child was born in Ireland, they may well have married there

However, this certificate should tell you the mother's maiden name.


Births Jun 1878 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Holloway Isabella - Newark 7b 410