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Jan brilliant! Bit economical with her age but think that must be her!

Seeing as you are on fire this morning :-) have a go at finding John Richard Hartley in 1901 :-)

He's not with parents

Jude

no luck at the moment and have got to go and set up our caravan for season now ,so have book marked the thread and will look again asap.

Well I have had another look for him in 1901 and nothing.
If we have the correct John Richard 1866 son of William and Hannah,which I think is correct.
Then he had siblings Mary Ann 1863 married Harry Holden 30/1/1900 dad William a Policeman.
Ernest 1869 married 25/2/1901 Fanny Moody dad William Hartley a Policeman
Frederick William 20/8/1919 Alice Dean dad William a Policeman doesn't say he was deceased.
On none of these marriages is John Richard a witness.
Its so annoying that all the above marriages are available to view,but not John Richard's.

I wonder of the death record for John Richard 1926 would give any new leads??
Shame he didn't leave a will!!

Maryb.

Can you take a look at this.
1911 census for John r hartley with parents says he is a Metal Broiler,on looking at original to me it looks like Metal Goodes or broker.

1901 Bradford East D 3 > 18
36,Great Cross Street.
John R Hartley 34 born Bradford could it read Iron -Broker Agent
Clara wife 29 born leeds.

1901 Bradford East D11. 21
12 Sandford Road
His parents William and Hannah here.

Maryb.

Mary how true!

Yes I am sure they are the family...the find of "Nicholson" I think is the key. I have managed to find christening records that match the four children. And one of the addresses they lived is the Policeman's Lodge Bowling Park (in 1891) which is certainly near to - if not the same building - as Albert was born in (Park Lodge).

I think John Richard is to remain an enigma - assuming it is he that marries Sarah Rebecca Whitehouse (and I may well invest in this certificate at some point) then I think the most likely scenario is that he wasn't free to marry Sarah Ann so she made up the marriage, registered the child as his and then went home to her mother. And at a decent point in time she was "widowed". But where is Sarah Rebecca all this while?

And why oh why can't we find him in 1901?

The one nagging thing though is how Sarah Ann born and bred in Worcestershire came to meet a West Yorkshireman, unless as I surmised his job as a carter took him to the Midlands.

Have searched for something in the probate records but to no avail (none of them appear to have left anything)

Jude

Can find only one marriage that might be it Clara Swallow in Bramley - found it on West Yorks and it is to John Hartley but his father is Joseph and he is a miner born Lofthouse

I wonder if it is John Richard...perhaps he was still married to Sarah Rebecca and so Clara "assumed" wifehood as well :-)

Jude

Just had a second opinion about the 1901 census with John R Hartley and Clara,they think it says Iron-Broker Agent.
it is in the same area as his dad.
1911 also looks like Metal Broker.

Only thing I can't find is Clara's marriage or where she is in 1911,but like you said they may have never married.

Maryb

OK so I have the marriage certificate for John Richard Hartley to Sarah Rebecca Whitehouse. It is definitely him. Father William Hartley Police Constable, address Bowling Park Lodge Bowling - his occupation is given as scavenger! And his age is 21 years old..which I reckon was a lie just to be able to marry? He is consistently born in 1866/7 so in April 1885 he was only just 18.

Sarah Rebecca also gives her age as 21 :-)

Her father was Thomas Whitehouse (deceased) and her address was 10 Diamonds Street Bradford.

Witnesses William Wallace and Lawrence Walker.

Jude