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Hi Barry, Thanks for getting back. If, when you have gone through the info, you don't understand any of it, please come back on here and ask.

Best Wishes
Barbara

Thanks everyone seems to all fit in.
need to go through all information
Kind regards
Barry

Hi Kath

As Barry has marked his thread " Answered" maybe he won't come back.

But all the names dates etc seem to "tie in"


Best wishes
Barbara x

Esthers first marriage ??

Marriages Mar 1866 (>99%)
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BETTERIDGE James Chipping N. 3a 727
Betterridge James Chipping N. 3a 727
Busby Harriet Chipping N. 3a 727
Busby Harriett Chipping N. 3a 727
>>>DUFFY James Chipping N 3a 727
>>>SIMMS Esther Chipping N. 3a 727

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Death of

Deaths Sep 1876

Duffy James 40 Banbury 3a 459
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This Death fits with 1871 census aged 34

I think this is Rose's mother's first marriage:-

Name: DUFFY, James
Registration District: Chipping Norton
County: Oxfordshire
Year of Registration: 1866
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume No: 3A
Page No: 727

On the same page is Esther Simms (the other name given by Barry).

The family in the 1871 census:-


DUFFY, James Head M 34 1837 Kent
DUFFY, Esther Wife F 23 1848 Oxfordshire
DUFFY, Isabel Daughter F 4 1867 Oxfordshire
DUFFY, Henry C Son M 3 1868 Oxfordshire
DUFFY, Louisa Daughter F 1 1870 Oxfordshire

Address:
Rock Hill, Chipping Norton


RG number: RG10
Piece: 1457
Folio: 47
Page: 8

Kath. x

possible birth

Name Rose Dean Duffy
Year of Registration 1878
Quarter of Registration Apr-May-Jun
Registration District Banbury
Registration County Oxfordshire
Mother's maiden name
Volume Number 3A
Volume Page 800

I think you are right Barbara.

We just need Barry to come back to this thread and see what he thinks.

Kath. x

MAYBE Rose in 1881

1881 England Census 1881 England Census
Name: Rose Duffy
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Daughter
Mother's name: Esther Duffy
Gender: Female
Where born: Banbury, Oxfordshire, England

Civil parish: Neithrop
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 33 Fish Street


Registration district: Banbury
Sub-registration district: Banbury
Household Members: Name Age
Esther Duffy 32 --wid-
Henry Duffy 13
Louisa Duffy 11
James Duffy 9
Alice Duffy 5
>>>Rose Duffy 2
Mary Ann Duffy

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1529; Folio: 16; Page: 25; GSU roll: 1341368.

It looks to me as if the Edward Dean and Esther Duffy marriage is correct (as Barry gave these names earlier) and it seems likely that Rose was actually born as Rose Duffy - the birth reference has already been given earlier for this birth by Barbara from Yorkshire at the top of this second page of the thread.

Kath. x

possible marriage for her parents

Name Edward Dean
Year of Marriage 1881
Quarter of Marriage Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Banbury
Registration County Oxfordshire
Spouse's Surname Only available for records after 1912
Volume Number 3A
Volume Page 1181



so could rose have been born before they married therfore maybe registered under her mothers maiden name ?

This is getting very confusing! More input needed from Barry. You must know more, you said her mother was married twice.

her father in 1911 census

1911 census

Household information
Address 38 Factory St Banbury
Parish Banbury
Town Banbury
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 3
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN8293 RG78PN427 RD158 SD4 ED1 SN84
Administrative County Oxfordshire
Registration District Banbury
Registration Sub District Banbury
Enumeration District 1

Householder 1
Name Charles Wincott
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married / 6 Years
Gender M
Age 27
Estimated Year of Birth 1884
Occupation Baker and Confectioner
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Oxfordshire Banbury

Householder 2
Name Violet Wincott
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married / 6 Years
Total Children Born Alive 1
Children Still Living 1
Gender F
Age 25
Estimated Year of Birth 1886
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Oxfordshire Banbury

Householder 3
Name Charles Wincott
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 5
Estimated Year of Birth 1906
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Oxfordshire Banbury

Householder 4
Name Edward Dean
Relationship to Head of Household Father In Law
Condition / Years Married / Years
Gender M
Age 60
Estimated Year of Birth 1851
Occupation Fitter
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Industry Agricultural Independent Works
Place of Birth Oxfordshire Banbury

Is this Rose with her family in 1891:-


DEAN, Edward Head Married M 40 1851 Agricultural Machine Fitter Banbury Oxfordshire
DEAN, Esther Wife Married F 42 1849 Chipping Norton Oxfordshire
DEAN, Rose Daughter Single F 13 1878 General Servant Banbury Oxfordshire <<<<<<<<<<
DEAN, Pollie Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar Banbury Oxfordshire
DEAN, Charles E Son M 8 1883 Scholar Grimsbury Northamptonshire
DEAN, Christopher Son M 6 1885 Scholar Grimsbury Northamptonshire
DEAN, Violet L Daughter F 4 1887 Scholar Grimsbury Northamptonshire
DEAN, Alfred H Son M 0 (1M) 1891 Grimsbury Northamptonshire

Address:
89, Middleton Road, Warkworth, Grimsbury, Banbury


RG number: RG12
Piece: 1184
Folio: 145
Page: 9

Kath. x

her parents 1901 census

1901 census

Address 81 Merton Street
Civil Parish Grimsbury
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish Christ Church South Banbury
Parliamentary Borough or Division Southern Northamptonshire
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Banbury
Administrative County Oxford

Householder 1
Name William Adkins
Relation to Head of Family Visitor
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 18
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Railway Engine Cleaner
Employment Status
Where Born Oxon Bloxham
Language
Infirmity

Householder 2
Name Christopher Dean
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 16
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Messenger Post Office
Employment Status
Where Born Northants Grimsbury
Language
Infirmity

Householder 3
Name Edward Dean
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 50
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Engine Machine Maker Fitter
Employment Status
Where Born Oxon Banbury
Language
Infirmity

Householder 4
Name Esther Dean
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 52
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Oxon Chipping Norton
Language
Infirmity

Householder 5
Name Harrold Dean
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 10
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Northants Grimsbury
Language
Infirmity

Householder 6
Name Mary Dean
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 20
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Cardboard Box Maker
Employment Status
Where Born Oxon Banbury
Language
Infirmity

Householder 7
Name Violet Dean
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 14
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation General Servant Domestic
Employment Status
Where Born Oxon Banbury
Language
Infirmity

Householder 8
Name Bertie Parson
Relation to Head of Family Visitor
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 6
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London
Language
Infirmity

Householder 9
Name Louie Parsons
Relation to Head of Family Visitor
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 28
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Oxon Banbury
Language
Infirmity

1881 England Census
about Edward Dean
Name: Edward Dean
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Dean
Mother's name: Elizabeth Dean
Gender: Male
Where born: Banbury, Oxfordshire, England

Civil parish: Warkworth
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Street Address: 11 Causeway
Occupation: Machine Fitter

Registration district: Banbury
Sub-registration district: Banbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1530
Folio: 75
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
William Dean 58 (Bricklayer)
Elizabeth Dean 58
Edward Dean 30 (Machine Fitter)
Rosa M. Dean 19
Alfred Dean 15
John Hy. Dean 11

You say her mother married Duffy and Simms? What was her name?

Have you thought of this birth ?

Births Jun 1878

DUFFY Rose Dean Banbury 3a 800

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Maybe parents marriage ?

Marriages Sep 1881 (>99%)
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>>>>DEAN Edward Banbury 3a 1181
>>>>Duffy Esther Banbury 3a 1181
Phillips James Banbury 3a 1181
UPTON Patience Banbury 3a 1181


Barbara

Other Heritage children with mother's maiden name Dean:

Births Sep 1912 (>99%)
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Heritage Hilda M Dean Banbury 3a 2265

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Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
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Heritage Amelia M Dean Banbury 3a 2312

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Births Mar 1917 (>99%)
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Heritage Florence M Dean Banbury 3a 1797

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Births Mar 1921 (>99%)
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Heritage Edward J Dean Banbury 3a 2030

Where have you got your grandmother's middle name "Maria" from? It looks more likely that she was just Rose Dean.

Getting her marriage certificate would be the best thing to do as it will give you her father's name and help locate the right person in the census before she was married.

Kath. x

1911 census

Household information
Address Silver Street Chacombe Banbury Oxon
Parish Chalcombe
Town Chacombe Banbury Oxon
Type of Building Cottage.
Number of Rooms 3 Rooms
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN8303 RG78PN427 RD158 SD4 ED11 SN51
Administrative County Oxfordshire
Registration District Banbury
Registration Sub District Banbury
Enumeration District 11

Householder 1
Name John Heritage
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married / 8 Years
Total Children Born Alive 4
Children Still Living 3
Children Who Have Died 1
Gender M
Age 29
Estimated Year of Birth 1882
Occupation Farm Labour
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Chacombe Northants

Householder 2
Name Rose Heritage
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Gender F
Age 33
Estimated Year of Birth 1878
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Banbury Oxon

Householder 3
Name Esther Heritage
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Gender F
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1905
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Chacombe Northants

Householder 4
Name Charlie Heritage
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Gender M
Age 4
Estimated Year of Birth 1907
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Chacombe Northants

Householder 5
Name Alice Heritage
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Gender F
Age 1
Estimated Year of Birth 1910
Occupation Juvenile
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Chacombe Northants