Profile | Posted by | Options | Post Date |
|
Chris Ho :)
|
Report
|
7 Jul 2011 08:14 |
1851 (a possible for Matilda, with schoolmaster) BURBIDGE, William Head Married M 29 1822 Schoolmaster Clerkenwell Middlesex BURBIDGE, Eliza M Wife Married F 27 1824 Schoolmistress Kent BURBIDGE, Richard J Son M 3 1848 Clerkenwell Middlesex BURBIDGE, Eliza M Daughter F 1 1850 Clerkenwell Middlesex KELLY, Matilda Servant Unmarried F 20 1831 General Servant Shoreditch Middlesex HODGES, Jane Servant Unmarried F 20 1831 General Servant Marylebone Middlesex RG number: HO107 Piece: 1518 Folio: 163 Page: 5 Registration District: Clerkenwell Sub District: Pentonville Enumeration District: 6 Ecclesiastical Parish: Saint James Pentonville Civil Parish: Saint James Clerkenwell Municipal Borough: Finsbury Address: 19, Penton Street, Saint James Clerkenwell, Finsbury County: Middlesex
1881 LEMON, Matilda E Head Widow F 45 1836 Bible Woman For St Andrew Parish London, London Middlesex LEMON, Elizabeth M Daughter Single F 19 1862 Assistant Mistress (School) Taunton Somerset LEMON, Emma J Daughter Single F 16 1865 Warehouseman Hand Leicester Leicestershire LEMON, Edward M Son Single M 14 1867 Warehouseman Hand Leicester Leicestershire RG number: RG11 Piece: 3173 Folio: 152 Page: 22 Registration District: Leicester Sub District: West Leicester Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Leicester St Mary Municipal Borough: Address: 39, Napier Street, Leicester St Mary County: Leicestershire
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941 about Martin William Lemon Name: Martin William Lemon Probate Date: 5 Apr 1870 Death Date: 22 Jul 1869 Death Place: Leicestershire, England Registry: Leicestershire (Letters of Administration to Matilda, Ancestry are doing a free offer of look up's on these at the moment, take a look!)
www.stgite.org.uk/media/dissenters2.html
(a little snippet on William, if you haven't got it, down the page a bit, under Independent/Congregational Chapel Old Gravel Lane)
Chris :)
|
|
Cherilyn
|
Report
|
7 Jul 2011 02:09 |
Back this morning and I see you have been busy! Thank you again.
So Mary must have died between 1841 and 1851. But if Matilda married in 1860, where is she in the 1851 census?
At 17 I suppose she could have been a servant somewhere, or similar.
And so the first Elizabeth has died between 1833 and 1840.
All very exciting progress! Not sure how I can confirm without certs being available...I guess Matilda's marriage would help confirm her father as Rev Wm.
No idea when Wm & Elizabeth died, too many Kellys and no idea if they left Devon.
Got to go to work now, but will be back later today :-)
Thanx again Potty, Helen, Joan and Fanny.
|
|
jolee
|
Report
|
6 Jul 2011 15:04 |
Found another maybe ancestry records say this Elizabeth married William Kelly
Elizabeth Hurst baptised 02/09/1812 St John's Hackney Parents William Hurst and Eliza Achpitel.
|
|
Potty
|
Report
|
6 Jul 2011 14:58 |
There is this marriage for a Matilda Elizabeth Kelly:
Marriages Jun 1860 (>99%)
FILLIS Frederick Mt Harbro 7a 54 Kelly Matilda Elizabeth Mt. Harbro 7a 54 LEMON Martin William Mt. Harbro 7a 54 Wilkinson Isabella Mt. Harbro 7a 54
The 1861 shows that she married Martin Lemon:
1861 England Census about Martin W Lemon Name: Martin W Lemon Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Matilda E Lemon Gender: Male Where born: Teddington, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Taunton St James Town: Taunton County/Island: Somerset Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Taunton Sub-registration district: Taunton St James ED, institution, or vessel: 5f Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 112 Piece: 1618 Folio: 104 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age Martin W Lemon 21 Attorney's Engraving Clerk Matilda E Lemon 26 b London, formerly school mistress.
A possible for Charles Kelly:
1841 England Census Name: Charles Kelley Age: 75 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1766 Gender: Male Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: Grays Inn Hundred: Inns of Court and Chancery County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Household Members: Name Age Charles Kelley 75 , Living Grays Inn Court, Independant.
He has aged somewhat when he dies in 1847 - age given as 92:
Name: Charles Kelly Record Type: Burial Estimated Death Date: abt 1847 Burial Date: 23 Dec 1847 Age: 92 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1755 Parish or Poor Law Union: Kensal Green All Souls Borough: Kensington and Chelsea County: Middlesex
|
|
jolee
|
Report
|
6 Jul 2011 14:57 |
Posible maybe Charles Kelly marriage to Hannah Tongue 09/01/1803 St George the Martyr Surrey. Marriage of William Kelly to Elizabeth Hurst 07/01/1833 at the same church. One witness is Matilda Dawson the other looks like W hurst.
|
|
FannyByGaslight
|
Report
|
6 Jul 2011 14:37 |
FMP have the 1841 as this Cherilyn
KELLY, William M 34 1807 KELLY, Elizabeth F 31 1810 KELLY, Matilda E F 7 1834 KELLY, Mary F 0 (3 months) 1841 ELEMOS, Mary F 17 1824 Devon Registration District: Newton Abbot Sub District: Teignmouth Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: East Teignmouth Municipal Borough: Address: Dawlish Street, East Teignmouth County: Devonshire
I would say that it IS Independent Minister on the image and it looks as though Potty may well have the baptism for Matilda as again it DOES look more like an E for second initial than C on image for Matilda.
|
|
Potty
|
Report
|
6 Jul 2011 14:14 |
Looking for a baptims for Matilda, this is the only one with a father William:
MATILDA ELIZABETH KELLY Birth: 14 APR 1834 Christening: 22 JUN 1834 Old Gravel Lane Saint George In The East Independest, Stepney, London, England Father: WM. KELLY Family Mother: ELIZABETH
|
|
Cherilyn
|
Report
|
6 Jul 2011 14:08 |
I wonder what became of Matilda then? Mary could be Elizabeth's as they married in jan 1840
|
|
Cherilyn
|
Report
|
6 Jul 2011 14:07 |
His son John Ebenezer (my gg-grandfather) was referred to as an independent minister in 1881 I think, so the 1841 looks good
He was headmaster at Shebbear College in Devon in the 1840s so that fits.
How exciting, you guys are brilliant!!! Thankyou!!!! <3
|
|
Cherilyn
|
Report
|
6 Jul 2011 14:02 |
Potty
Yes that's them in 1851.
I guess even if he had been married c1830, any children would still be with him in 1841...
Is there any trace of his father Charles in 1841? Or is that impossible without his birthyear and birthplace? Not sure if he stayed in London area.
I guess I may never know who his first wife was or what happened to her.
:(
Oh hang on the 1841 is new...hadn't seen that...interesting
And the baptism also new! Well done!!!
|
|
Potty
|
Report
|
6 Jul 2011 13:58 |
Is this William in 1841? If so Matilda must be from his first marriage:
1841 England Census about William Hally Name: William Hally [William Kelly] Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807 Gender: Male Civil parish: East Teignmouth Hundred: Exminster County/Island: Devon Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Newton Abbot Sub-registration district: Teignmouth Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 220 Book: 12 Folio: 5 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age William Hally 34 Elizabeth Hally 31 Matilda C Hally 7 Mary Hally 3 MO Occupation is very difficult to read, but I think it says "Independant"; in 1851 he is a schoolmaster.
All born out of county
|
|
Helen
|
Report
|
6 Jul 2011 13:56 |
London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 about William Kelly Name: William Kelly Baptism Date: 24 Aug 1806 Parish: St Luke, Old Street County: Middlesex Borough: Islington Parent(s): Charles Kelly, Hannah Kelly Record Type: Christening
Possible parents
|
|
Potty
|
Report
|
6 Jul 2011 13:53 |
Is this the couple in 1851? If so, all the children are Elizabeth's:
1851 England Census about William Kelly Name: William Kelly Age: 44 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Kelly Gender: M (Male) Where born: London, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Shebbear County/Island: Devon Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image Registration district: Torrington Sub-registration district: High Bickington ED, institution, or vessel: 3a Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 71 Piece: 1894 Folio: 395 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age William Kelly 44 Elizabeth Kelly 41 William Kelly 8 Thomas Kelly 6 John Kelly 3
|
|
Cherilyn
|
Report
|
6 Jul 2011 13:48 |
PS They moved to Devon soon after they married...
|
|
Cherilyn
|
Report
|
6 Jul 2011 13:40 |
My ggg-grandfather William KELLY's1840 marriage certificate to my ggg-grandmother revealed that he was a widower.
Is there any way at all to find out who this first wife was? I realisei it is a fairly common name so I may never solve this one.
I know he was born c1807 in London, Middlesex from age on later censuses. His father was Charles KELLY, who was a stockbroker according to the marriage cert.
The 1840 marriage took place in Chisshill, Royston & Buntingford. At the time he was living in Peterborough (Cambridgeshire) and his new wife in Little Chisshill.
William himself was a dissenting minister (Methodist). He was married by John Dorrington. John Dorrington jnr and Rebekah Dorrington were witnesses along with Mary Kraushaar (sister of the bride, Elizabeth).
I have researched the Kraushaar side and found the chn of Wm & Elizabeth but can't help wondering if he had another family.
Can anyone help with this mystery please?
|