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Thanks again - Mel I had this (on page 3) will repost-

Chas KELLY b. c1765 (stockbroker); possible christening to Chas & Elizabeth on 23 DEC 1764 Saint Olave, Southwark, Surrey, England; m. Hannah TONGUE in 1803 at St George the Martyr, Southwark, Surrey UK; possible death 1847

Chas & Hannah had 2 known chn:
i. Wm b. 1806 St Luke Old Street, Finsbury, London (see below)
ii. Hannah Matilda b. 1810 St Luke Old Street, Finsbury, London, m. William Henry Hanson 1830 Hackney, Middlesex UK, d. ?

i. Wm b. 1806 (schoolmaster & Methodist Minister) married Elizabeth HURST 1833 St George the Martyr, Southwark, Surrey UK, d. ?1888

Children of Wm & Elizabeth (nee HURST):
1. Matilda Elizabeth KELLY (schoolmistress; Bible woman) b. 1834 Old Gravel Lane, St George in the East, Stepney, London UK, m. Martin Wm LEMON 1860 Market Harborough, Leicestershire UK; d. 1888 Leicester, Leicestershire UK
2. Wm Hy KELLY b. 1835 Old Gravel Lane, St George in the East, Stepney, London UK, d. 1838 St George in the East, Stepney, London UK

Elizabeth KELLY nee HURST died sometime between Nov 1835 and Jan 1840.

Wm b. 1806 then married Elizabeth KRAUSHAAR (1810-1890, teacher) in 1840 Cambridgeshire.

Chn of Wm & Elizabeth (nee KRAUSHAAR):
1. Mary b. 1841 [not in Devon], d. before 1851
2. Wm Chas KELLY b. 1843 Shaldon, Devon UK, m. ?, d. ?
3. Thos KELLY (shoemaker?) b. 1845 Shaldon, Devon UK, m. ?, d. ?
4. John Ebenezer KELLY (Methodist Minister) b. 1847 Shebbear, Devon UK, m. Clara BRAGG 1868 Clifton, Gloucestershire UK, d. 1890 Angaston, South Australia
5. Hannah M[ary?] KELLY (dressmaker) b. c1853 Shebbear, Devon UK, m. ?, d. ? - adopted name CLARK by 1901
6. Samuel KELLY (teacher) b. c1854 Shebbear, Devon UK, m. ?, d. ?

With her being an adopted daughter as she was a single lady I think both parents were dead by then. I think William died in 1888 and Elizabeth 1890.

George Clarke was a Wheelwright.

George Clark was a wheelwright.

I wondered too if perhaps Hannah was disabled but she has an occupation on all the censuses, always something to do with needlework. Possible she was has what is know called "learning disabilities" and was not capable of living on her own?

This is what I have worked out for this family:-

William Kelly b1807 Middx
Elizabeth Wife b1810/11
Matilda b1834 Middx?
Mary b1841 Devon
William Charles b1843 Shaldon Devon
Thomas b1845 Shaldon Devon
John Eb. b1848 Shebbear Devon
Hannah Matilda b1853 Shebbear Devon
Samuel b1854 Shebbear Devon

This is Elizabeth's birth and bap.

London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812
about Elizabeth Kraushaar
Name: Elizabeth Kraushaar
Birth 19 Feb 1810***********
Baptism Date: 18 Mar 1810
Parish: St Botolph Bishopsgate
County: London
Borough: City of London
Parent(s): Jacob Andrew,
Mary Barbara
Record Type: Christening

Hmm but says born Plymouth???

I just had a look and it seems the Methodist/Wesleyan movement emerged out of Anglicism, so makes sense after all!

Now another qu - having trouble finding a birth or death for Matilda's hubby Wm Hy Hanson - here's a birth of a son Chris posted earlier:

Name: William Charles Hanson
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1837
Baptism Date: 14 Jun 1837
Father's name: William Henry Hanson
Mother's name: Hannah Matilda Hanson
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney

(address, Hackney Road, fathers occ. Master Mariner)

She couldn't find them in 1841. Maybe they went overseas given his occupation???

Given where the rest of the family are, a possible for William C in 1871:

1861 England Census
Name: William C Kelly
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Apprentice
Gender: Male
Where born: Plymouth
Civil parish: Leicester St Margaret
Town: Leicester
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England
Occupation: Grocer (App)

Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: East Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Piece: 2286
Folio: 41
Page Number: 11
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Wagstaff 28
Ann Wagstaff 24
Alfred O Wagstaff 3 MO
William C Kelly 18
Charles C Lewis 16
Elizabeth B Bettony 61
Ann M Hodgkin 24
Fanny Allen 13

Cherilyn, before 1837 marriages could only take place in an Anglican church, so that might explain the marriages.

haha! :-) yes I might try contacting the college

Just curious - what did George Clark do for a living???

We have got a funny lot around here Cheilyn ;-)

Some of them still talk the old Devon language me maid!

That is really interesting about Hannah and the Clarks. I wonder if she had some mild form of disability that made her somewhat dependent? (Just remembered - there was a section for 'disability' in the censuses wasn't there? so maybe not)

Lol about the 'poor woman'!

Interesting - just found out that both St George the Martyr, Southwark (where I have that both Chas & Wm married) and St Luke Old Street Finsbury (where I have that Wm and his sister were christened) were Anglican churches....

hmmmmmm

Oh, Mel - I didn't notice that! I did look through most of the images for Shebbear in the 1861 and there were quite a few cow boys and one woman's occupation, given by her son-in-law, was "a poor woman".

Hannah in 1901, still with the Clarks and now with their surname:

1901 England Census
about Annie M Clark
Name: Annie M Clark
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Adopted Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: North Devon, Shebbear

Civil parish: Bristol
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bristol
Sub-registration district: St Philip and St Jacob
ED, institution, or vessel: 37
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 122
Piece: 2383
Folio: 14
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
George Clark 59
Sarah Clark 55
Rose Clark 28
William G Clark 16
Annie M Clark 48

Cherilyn, I really do think it might be worth contacting the college. They may have records for that period or know where they are.

:-D brilliant!

Gosh I had to laugh at the 1861 census with Elizabeth and the children. It has her born Mexico London!!!!!!


:-D

The 1861 census was on 7th April and the 1871 on the 2nd April - so if the ages on both censuses are correct, one of them must have been born between those two dates.

Great work!!!

I am curious as to why Wm left the church...seems to have been between 1851 and 1861.

In any case I have gone from thinking John Ebenezer had only 2 brothers, to finding a further 3 sisters and 2 brothers! :-D

Found William - he must have moved to Gloucestershire before the rest of the family. Occupation - Insurance Agent. Wife was given as Elizabeth's occupation.

1861 England Census
about William Kelly
Name: William Kelly
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: St Jukes, London, England

Civil parish: Bristol St Philip and St Jacob
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: St Philip and Jacob
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67
Piece: 1733
Folio: 105
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
John Green 58
Ann Green 59
Catharine Green 23
William Kelly 54

Well done! Very clever of you to find this.

How bizarre! Perhaps he was on a Sabbatical somewhere?!

They certainly did get around...does it state an occupation for mother 'Elztt'?

I notice this one makes Samuel 2 yrs younger than Hannah, whereas in 1871 he is shown as 17 and she as 18...did they vary the month Census was taken?

I still can't find a birth for Hannah in Devon....does this census still say that's where she was born?

At last, the family in 1861 (but without William):

1861 England Census
about John E Kelley
Name: John E Kelley
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Elztt Kelley
Gender: Male
Where born: Shebba, Devon, England

Civil parish: Leicester St Margaret
Town: Leicester
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: East Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 110
Piece: 2289
Folio: 28
Page Number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Elztt Kelley 51
John E Kelley 13
Hannah Kelley 8
Samuel Kelley 6

Matilda married in Market Harborogh, Leics.

Wonder where William was?