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Thanks for trying Ginny, but I don't think its them. Martha was born Kendal, Westmorland and their daughter Margaret was born in 1870 Barrow in Furness, Lancs. So doubtful they would have had a second child called Margaret.

The one child that could tie up is Lizzie, as my John/Martha had a daughter Mary Elizabeth born 1883 Barrow, but I haven't come across a Leonard or Charles

John Jackson (c1843 Lancashire) and his wife Martha (1845 Kendal maiden name Grisdale) were Emma's parents. They are last on a census in Barrow in Furness 1881, and I can place them in Barrow as late as 1887 when one of their other children died.

They were my gg-grandparents - one of their children Margaret stayed in Barrow she was my g-grandmother.

I think they may have also gone to America around the same time as Emma.

Who are John and Martha....if they are the children on the census above, they born in the US

Hi Ginny that's Emma, emigration date ties in and explains why I can't find them in England census. So my memory of Lizzie saying her Jacksons went to America are probably right, though I've no confirmation on John & Martha going.

Many thanks

Heres Emma

1910 United States Federal Census
about James H Hurley
Name: James H Hurley
[Jams H Hurley]
Age in 1910: 44
Estimated Birth Year: 1866
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Spouse's Name: Emma Hurley
Home in 1910: Port Vue, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of immigration: 1888
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James H Hurley 44
Emma Hurley 42
Martha E Hurley 19
Emma Hurley 17
Robert Hurley 15
Hellen A Hurley 13
Marget J Hurley 7


1900 United States Federal Census
about Martha E Earley
Name: Martha E Earley
Home in 1900: Port Vue, Allegheny, Pennsylvania
[Port Vue, Allegheny, Pennsylvania]
Age: 8
Birth Date: Oct 1891
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relationship to head-of-house: Daughter
Father's name: James H Earley
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's name: Emma Earley
Mother's Birthplace: England
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James H Earley 32
Emma Earley 30
John E Earley 10
Martha E Earley 8
Emma Earley 6
Robert Earley 5
Helen A Earley 2
James H Earley 8/12

Update:
Marriage certificate for Margaret Jackson/Thomas Thompson 1/4/1896 St Marks, Barrow shows her father as John Jackson, labourer. Witnesses Denis Dumphey (that name again) and Agnes Brown. She was living 7 Lincoln St. Barrow.

So it looks like we were looking at the right family John Jackson/Martha Grisdale. Their only surviving children (in 1887) would have been Sarah A (c1866 Millington), Emma (1867 Barrow), Robert (1873 Barrow) and Mary Elizabeth (1883 Barrow) & Margaret who I know stayed in Barrow.

Also found a marriage for Margaret's sister Emma 31/10/1887 St James Barrow to James Henry Hurley. Can't locate either of them after this, and there doesn't appear to be any children born to them locally.

Not sure whether all but Margaret emigrated, they all seem to disappear.

Thanks Ann, I didn't know about this site until a couple of weeks ago, you're right it's really good for researching this area. According to the local records office they have only recently completed transcribing the records.

I've got the children's details from there, and at least 5 of them died as infants - it is Margaret born 1870 that I think is my g-grandmother, but as it's a fairly common name I'm going to try to confirm if this is her through her marriage certificate.

I don't know if you have seen this site Flip - v useful for Barrow area

cumbriabmd.org.uk

it shows 9 Jackson children with mmn = Grisdale

plus Robert 1873 with mmn transcribed as Grisdell

There are 2 other Roberts no mmn shown

I'm not 100% that this is the right family, so rather than waste someones time searching I though I'd wait till the marriage record for Margaret & Thomas arrives and post up the details.

Thanks K, for all the help so far.

Sorry - you are right she died at the same time as their daughter Maria Miriam.

I wonder if it worth asking for a look up of the USA or Canadian census i don't have access

There is a John Jackson, Martha Jackson and Robert Jackson of the right ages born in England in 1910 of the right age Providence, Rhode Island.

Had a better look at the family, looks like John Jackson married Martha Grisdale in Kendal 1866, and by 1871 were in Barrow (Crellin St, but original image on here is illegible). Can last place them in Barrow in 1887, they had daughter Eleanor in 1886, she died in 1887.

At the back of my mind I remember Lizzie saying some of her Jackson family emigrated to America, so that could be why we can't find them in 1891/1901.

Not sure, I think their daughter Martha died in 1882. Strange the whole family seem to disappear though.

Agree that John and Martha do appear to be the most obvious parents. They all seem to disappear post 1881 but wonder whether this is the youngest daughter Martha

1891

Name: Martha Jackson
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Roose Barrow, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Dalton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Lindale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image

Registration district: Ulverston
Sub-registration district: Dalton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3478
Folio: 44
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
John Polkinghorn 42
Martha Polkinghorn 37
Martha Jackson 13

Thanks Ann & K,

Guess Margaret wasn't at Castle St, it was just a thought as I can't find her on 1891 census. Think I may have her 1881 in Barrow, with father John & mother Martha, but will need to check the marriage cert to be sure of her father's name. Can't find other members of this family in 1891 either, but not much point checking until I get the cert.

The christening shows them still being in Preston for a while after the birth, guess they moved back to Barrow sometime between 1893 & the marriage in 1896.

Hi Flip

Glad to hear you have found the correct birth. In 1891 this family appear to be living at both 15 and 16 Castle Street when you look at the image which doesn't help. Maybe her marriage cert would be the best way forward.

Kay


1891

284 ROCHFORD, William Head Married M 41 1850 Joiner Journeyman
Tipperary Ireland
284 ROCHFORD, Mary Ann Wife Married F 35 1856
West Indies
284 ROCHFORD, Mary Daughter F 11 1880
Preston
Lancashire
284 ROCHFORD, John Son M 8 1883
Preston
Lancashire
284 ROCHFORD, William Son M 7 1884
Preston
Lancashire
284 ROCHFORD, Selina Daughter F 4 1887
Preston
Lancashire
284 WHELEN, John Boarder Married M 32 1859 General Labourer
Preston
Lancashire
284 HELM, John Boarder Married M 31 1860 Cotton Weaver
Blackburn
Lancashire
RG number:
RG12 Piece:
3435 Folio:
135 Page:
48

Registration District:
Preston Sub District:
St Peter Enumeration District:
8 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Thomas

Civil Parish:
Preston Municipal Borough:
Preston Address:
16, Castle Street, Preston County:
Lancashire

Cumbria Birth indexes for the years: 1898
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
THOMPSON Martha Barrow Barrow JACKSON B/80/207

Cumbria Birth indexes for the years: 1903
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
THOMPSON Thomas Barrow Barrow JACKSON B/97/143

Cumbria Birth indexes for the years: 1905
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
THOMPSON Sarah Ellen Barrow Barrow JACKSON B/105/128

umbria Birth indexes for the years: 1908
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
THOMPSON Margaret Jane Barrow Barrow JACKSON B/116/198

Cumbria Birth indexes for the years: 1911
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
THOMPSON John Robert Barrow Barrow JACKSON B/124/240

Mary's baptism in Preston

Baptisms: 1 Feb 1893 All Saints, Preston, Lancashire, England
Mary Elizabeth Jackson - Child of Margaret Jackson
Born: 9 Jul 1892
Abode: 33 Singleton Row
Occupation: Servant
Notes: (Single woman)' is written beneath this entry.
Baptised by: Septimus Hutchinson
Register: Baptisms 1876 - 1900, Page 153, Entry 1221
Source: FHL 1544765

Hi again

Birth certificate finally arrived, it is the right one - Mary Elizabeth Jackson born 9/7/1892 at 15 Castle Street Preston. Mother Margaret Jackson a domestic servant but no father named. Birth was registered by the mother on 4/9/1892.

Looks like we had the right Mary E on the 1901 census with Thomas & Margaret Thompson, but chances are Thomas is not her father.

Many thanks for all the help

Flip

You may be right, I found a death in Barrow for Thomas Dumphey, but didn't spot this marriage.

I'm away all week, but will post up what the birth cert gives when it arrives.

Thanks for the help so far.

There is a tree on Ancestry that gives Maria Pearce listed as the niece of Mary Dumphy in 1911 - with the maiden name Clement with parents Thomas Clement and Rebecca Hill

I wonder if this was the marriage - I wonder if Mary Dumphey was a distant relative and the census enumerator just mistook her for a mother in law

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
Clement Mary Barrow F. 8e 1198
Dumfay Thomas Barrow F 8e 1198