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AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Jun 2011 22:58

so now I'm finding them!!! duh!!!!



Ann Paggett
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: Shropshire, England
parents: Benjmin Paggett, Sarah

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Ann Paggett
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 28 Apr 1811
baptism/christening place: WOMBRIDGE,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
father's name: Benjmin Paggett
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: C06490-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 510685

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Jun 2011 22:57

William Pagett
England and Wales Census, 1861

birth: 1801 —Wombridge, Shropshire
residence: 1861 —Wrockwardine Wood, Shropshire, England
census: 1861 —Wrockwardine Wood, Shropshire, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1861
name: William Pagett
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Male
age: 60
relationship to head of household: Head
birthplace: Wombridge, Shropshire
record type: Household
registration district: Wellington
sub-district: 3 Wombridge
ecclesiastical parish: Wrockwardine Wood
civil parish: Wrockwardine Wood
county: Shropshire

Gavin

Gavin Report 28 Jun 2011 22:39

Ann, Ozi and Andy,
Thanks for all your help, my Benjamin was Richard Bagger Pagetts father, I also lucked upon a William and a Benjamin born in 1800 and 1803 respectiveley which I think are of the same parents, should have known that this Benjamin would be an issue, My own Benjamin who is 5 seems to be following on from his namesake.

Cheers

Andrew

Andrew Report 28 Jun 2011 22:30

Hi Ann

The childrens birts are in Shropshire

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Father: Benjamin
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1. SARAH PAGGETT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 MAY 1804 Wombridge, Shropshire, England

2. ANN PAGGETT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 APR 1811 Wombridge, Shropshire, England

3. RICHARD BAGGER PAGGETT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 18 JAN 1807 Wombridge, Shropshire, England

4. WILLIAM HENRY PAGGETT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 29 JUN 1800 Wombridge, Shropshire, England

5. BENJAMIN PAGGET - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 23 JAN 1803 Wombridge, Shropshire, England

This area is much closer to the Enville/Kinver births that you have found and was the centre industrial revolution at the time.

Andy





Ozibird

Ozibird Report 28 Jun 2011 22:29

In that case the Benjamin found in the censuses may be a more distant relative.

Ozi

Gavin

Gavin Report 28 Jun 2011 22:27

Thanks Ozi,
not come accross this link yet, after the birth of Benjamin, the Pagets seem to have had a mass exodus from the lichfield area and my line seemed to head for the Telford area, could be needing the additions when I hit my next generation back.
Cheers
Gav

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Jun 2011 22:22

well I've just been through a shedload of births in Staffs for twenty years after the marriage date and can find no children for Benjamin

interestingly, referring to the name "Bagger", interspersed with Pagetts were Baggots and Piggots!!!

Gavin

Gavin Report 28 Jun 2011 22:19

WOW Ann,
thanks for all the information, I feel like you already have the answers and you are dangling me carrots so I can have the fun of mking all the connections myself :-D. Not entireley where I should be looking thouh as I seem to have this mental sign pointing me to Bridgnorth and lichfield, someone onc e pointed out to me that prior to 1800, people rarely moved from the areas of their birth and most of the previous generations could be found there also. Think I might be blinkering myself to new evidence though ...

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 28 Jun 2011 22:12

Gavin, the census AGG found was 1881. Therefore not old enough to be your Benjamin. Remote possibility he is a son.

This is the same Ben in 1871 & 1861.

1871 England Census
Name: Benjamin Paggett
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Kinver, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Kinver
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Kinfare
Street Address: The Comber

Occupation: Labourer at Iron Works

Piece: 2928
Folio: 58
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Paggett 60
Rosanna Chambers 11 - granddaughter
Ann Thatcher 39 - no relationship recorded; washerwoman
Mercy Harris 69 - lodger



1861 England Census
Name: Benjamin Pagett
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1810
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah Pagett
Gender: Male
Where born: Kinfare, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Kinfare
Ecclesiastical parish: Kinfare
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: The Forest

Occupation: Labourer at Iron Works

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Kinfare
Piece: 1985
Folio: 49
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Pagett 51
Hannah Pagett 50
George Pagett 17 - son
Rosanna Chambers 1 - grandaughter
Anne Thatcher 28 - wife's daughter

Gavin

Gavin Report 28 Jun 2011 22:09

Thanks Andy,
I believe they all moved onto Womridge where the children olf Banjamin And Sarah were all born so that could explain there absence in the future census entries.

Cheers

Gavin

Gavin Report 28 Jun 2011 22:09

Thanks Andy,
I believe they all moved onto Womridge where the children olf Banjamin And Sarah were all born so that could explain there absence in the future census entries.

Cheers

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Jun 2011 22:05

??

Benjamin Pagett
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: Enville, Stafford, England
parents: Samuel Pagett, Ann

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Benjamin Pagett
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 08 Aug 1782
baptism/christening place: Enville, Stafford, England
father's name: Samuel Pagett
mother's name: Ann
indexing project (batch) number: C16630-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1470946

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Jun 2011 22:00

The Staffordshire Record Society Publications Fourth Series
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Andrew

Andrew Report 28 Jun 2011 22:00

Checked 1841 census and no Pagetts in Lichfield area (I live locally)
The records in the Enville/Kinver area are a good 20-25 miles away.

Andy

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Jun 2011 21:59

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AnnCardiff Report 28 Jun 2011 21:58

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AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Jun 2011 21:57

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AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Jun 2011 21:55

The Paget Family
Thomas, Lord Paget (d. 1590), was frequently resident in Burton, especially from c. 1573. (fn. 5) With him came all the trappings of a great noble household: visits of musicians from Leicester, Stone, and Uttoxeter; (fn. 6) of the choirmen from Lichfield cathedral; (fn. 7) and of players from other households, including that of Sir George Hastings. (fn. 8) A Twelfth Night masque was performed in 1580. (fn. 9) Paget's presence in Burton tightened his grip on the town, especially its religious life, and as an ardent recusant he sought to promote Roman Catholicism, employing recusants as his household servants and even providing mass wafers rather than ordinary white bread for the celebration of communion in the parish church. He patronized William Byrd, the church-papist composer, who stayed in Burton in 1580; Byrd's room over the gatehouse then had a pair of virginals. (fn. 10) Paget also had a private choir at Burton which, though it provided secular entertainment, probably also sang mass for the household. (fn. 11)
In the early 1580s Paget's household at Burton became entangled in the plotting around Mary, Queen of Scots, then imprisoned in various locations in Yorkshire and Derbyshire. (fn. 12) After involvement in the Throckmorton Plot Paget fled abroad in 1583; he was attainted for treason and died at Brussels, and his English estates, including Burton, were forfeited to the Crown. In 1586, while Mary was imprisoned at Chartley in Staffordshire, the government, seeking evidence of her complicity in plotting against Queen Elizabeth, placed a brewer, William Nicholson, in the former abbey precinct in Burton. He gained Mary's trust, conveying letters to and from her hidden in beer barrels, but revealed them to her keeper, so implicating her in Anthony Babington's plot to assassinate Elizabeth and place Mary on the English throne. (fn. 13) Babington, a minor Derbyshire gentleman and an ardent Roman Catholic, had been known to Lord Paget and had stayed at least one night c. 1583 in a Burton inn kept by one of Paget's servants. (fn. 14) Ensnared by Nicholson's evidence, Mary was taken from Chartley to her trial and execution at Fotheringhay castle (Northants.), spending the night of 21 September 1586 at Burton on the way. (fn. 15)

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Gavin

Gavin Report 28 Jun 2011 21:50

Thanks Ann,
could this be from the census as there was child called Ann born in 1811, would make Ben the right age with this in mind. Also, as an aside, have you ever came across a middle or christion name of bagger ?? one other confusing issue of this tree..

Thanks

Gavin

AnnCardiff

AnnCardiff Report 28 Jun 2011 21:42

??

Benjamin PAGETT Head W Male 72 Kinver, Stafford, England Agricul Labourer
Ann PAGETT Daur U Female 47 Enville, Stafford, England Housekeeper Dom


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Source Information:
Dwelling High Street
Census Place Kinver, Stafford, England
Family History Library Film 1341668
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2790 / 46
Page Number 9