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Oooohhhh,
this is where it all gets a little vague. My oldest definite link is from Benjamin Pagetts marriage certificate from his marriage to Emma Hayward, his first wife in December of 1845. on this certificate, it shows his father as Richard, shoemaker. This is repeated in his marriage in 1860 to Elizabeth Edge, which due to the family members, proves to me that this is definitely my Ben and his father, Richard. with him being born in 1827, Richard Bagger Pagett was the only link that anybody who has helped me on my search could find around the possible dates. If we have the right Richard, which I'm hoping have after all this stress, then yes I think the could be the one in the Huttcroft website, but think he has the issue of Richards father wrong ( being Ben - glass blower from Amblecote ) The Benjamin I think is Richards father is the one born in 1776 in the same area of Bridgnorth. There is a one name study by a lady called Jenny Reeve who has that line all moving to Somerset and dying down there. There is a Benjamin Paget living with a family called Lane
( Richards wife Sarahs maiden name ) in the 1842 census which led me to believe the kids may have been left behind and the parents noved on as I could find neither hide nor hair of them afterwards. Confused - you will be.......
Thanks in advance
Gavin

So checking out your Richard Bagger Pagett, I found this website which I hope you've seen as well.

http://www.huttoncroft.co.uk/familyhistory/benson/indiI10354.html

According to this website, I have found your Benjamin and Sarah in 1841, and widowed Ben in 1851. The Ben who is married to Rebecca is a brother of your Richard. However it seems they are as stuck as you, as they don't know who Sarah is, and they don't know the parents of granddaughters, Sarah and Harriett.

They also have nothing about Richard Bagger Pagett after his christening. What evidence have you that he is your ancestor? Sorry about all the questions but every little bit of info helps.

Ozi

Good evening,
( or possibly morning on your side of the world ) I have neither. My theory is based solely on geography and the prevalence of the name in that location. One thing that is weird, is that I cannot locate Richard after the birth of his children. Couldn't locate a record of death that fit, and have issues with what happened to the family, as I seem to find the only relevant date record for Benjamin the younger, living with his grandparents and a sibling. This stuff is so confusing......

This looks like the Benjamin I found.

Deaths Sep 1852
Pagett Benjamin Wellington Sal 6a 483

Wow, what an interesting find the glass-blowing history is. However looking at their entry for Benjamin Padgett(Pagett), it says he's living with his wife, Rebecca, in 1851.

Now, either they've made a mistake or I have found a different Benjamin. I've checked the image so I know for certain there is no Rebecca recorded in the household in 1851 for the gent I found.

I'm fairly positive the 1841 is the same Benjamin because of his granddaughters, Sarah and Harriett. Remember 1841 doesn't show relationships, and ages were usually rounded down to the nearest 5 years for people over 15. So Sarah and Harriet's ages being one year out in 1851 fit.

What is it about your Benjamin that makes you believe he wasn't a glass-blower. You say you don't know his occupation. Do you have his death cert?

Ozi

BTW, no need to apologize for your delays. As I'm in Australia I also am delayed in answering you.

Hello again,
apologies for the late response, In a fit of desperation I did a google search and surprisingly came up with a link to the history of glass production

http://www.broseley.org.uk/miscfiles/GlassHist.pdf

quite informative on a number of Pagets but not mine I don't think. Not sure if I am holding myself back because of an assumption......

Cheers

Gavin

Hello Gavin. Where did you get the Rebecca/turn-of-the-century information, and exactly what is it?

Ozi

good evening all,
I have had another trawl through my paperwork and igi and been through the help that you have all provided, and seem to be shying away from the noted Benjamin, born 1771 in amblecote, at the turn of the century, he was glass blowing in Broseley, married to Rebecca which doesn't tie in with my Sarah link. My gut instinct is that he is the son of Benjamin born in lichfield ( where Ben and Sarah married ) in 1801, is there anyone there who could qualify this link for me with the special ways you genealogy gurus have ???thanks in advance,
Gavin

good evening all,
I have had another trawl through my paperwork and igi and been through the help that you have all provided, and seem to be shying away from the noted Benjamin, born 1771 in amblecote, at the turn of the century, he was glass blowing in Broseley, married to Rebecca which doesn't tie in with my Sarah link. My gut instinct is that he is the son of Benjamin born in lichfield ( where Ben and Sarah married ) in 1801, is there anyone there who could qualify this link for me with the special ways you genealogy gurus have ???thanks in advance,
Gavin

good evening all,
I have had another trawl through my paperwork and igi and been through the help that you have all provided, and seem to be shying away from the noted Benjamin, born 1771 in amblecote, at the turn of the century, he was glass blowing in Broseley, married to Rebecca which doesn't tie in with my Sarah link. My gut instinct is that he is the son of Benjamin born in lichfield ( where Ben and Sarah married ) in 1801, is there anyone there who could qualify this link for me with the special ways you genealogy gurus have ???thanks in advance,
Gavin

just picked up on the recent posts while checking in on my mobile, I will have to have a proper look when I get in but there are definite possibilities there, The EnoCH Paget link sounds very familiar.
will look back in later after I have had a chance to scan through my paperwork.
Thanks again
Gavin

If so, then ......

1841 England Census
Name: Benjamin Pagett
Age: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1770
Gender: Male
Civil parish: Wombridge
Hundred: South Bradford (Wellington Division)
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street Address: Newfield [I think]

Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Wellington
Sub-registration district: Wombridge
Piece: 907
Book: 10
Folio: 6
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Pagett 71 - not born in county
Sarah Pagett 69 - not born in county
Sarah Pagett 18
Harriott Pagett 13

????
1851 England Census
Name: Benjamin Padgett
Age: 80
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1771
Relation: Head
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Amblecote, Staffordshire, England [Amblecote is in Oldswinford parish]
Civil parish: Wombridge
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation: Formerley Glass blower

Condition as to marriage: Wid.

Registration district: Wellington
Sub-registration district: Ercall Magna
Piece: 1997
Folio: 622
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Padgett 80
Sarah Padgett 27 - Grand daughter; Coal Picker; born Eyton Shropshire
Samuel Padgett 4 - illegitimate great-grandson; Wombridge
Enoch Moses Padgett 2 - illegitimate great-grandson; Wombridge
Harriet Padgett 24 - grand daughter; Iron-stone picker
James Padgett 2 - illegitimate great-grandson; Wombridge

All others born Wombridge.

Thanks again Ann,
everyone bang on the money, the last two posts are really close, if I Can make the connection from Benjamin Marrying in 1801, to the Benjamin Born in 1776, then they all descend ferom the same Benjamin of 1740 Bridgnorth, these are from that line but my uncertainty over the link is possibly making me a little hesitant to expand my tree.
Cheers again, I really do appraciate all the help I am receiving.

Gavin

1881 - possible connections

Richard PAGETT Head M Male 68 Trench, Shropshire, England Iron Chequer In Ironworks
Elizabeth PAGETT Wife M Female 67 Trench, Shropshire, England
Richard PAGETT Son U Male 27 Trench, Shropshire, England Iron Worker
John PAGETT Grandson U Male 14 Hadley, Shropshire, England Cabinet Makers Apprentice


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Source Information:
Dwelling Hadley
Census Place Wellington, Shropshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341642
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2680 / 69
Page Number 16

seems they were all miners in the iron works

1881

Richard PAGET Head M Male 51 Wombridge, Shropshire, England Ironstone Miner
Sarah PAGET Wife M Female 53 Lilleshall, Shropshire, England
Ann PAGET Daur Female 15 Lilleshall, Shropshire, England Loads Ironstone Into Carriages


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Source Information:
Dwelling Forge Row
Census Place Lilleshall, Shropshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341643
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2684 / 96
Page Number 28

Benjamin Pagget
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: Wombridge, Shropshire, England
parents: Benjamin Pagget, Sarah

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Benjamin Pagget
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 23 Jan 1803
baptism/christening place: , WOMBRIDGE, SHROPSHIRE, ENGLAND
father's name: Benjamin Pagget
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: C06490-1
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 510685

Sarah Paggett
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: Shropshire, England
parents: Benjmen Paggett, Sarah

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Sarah Paggett
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 06 May 1804
baptism/christening place: WOMBRIDGE,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
father's name: Benjmen Paggett
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: C06490-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 510685

Richard Bagger Paggett
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

residence: Wombridge, Shropshire, England
parents: Benjmin Paggett, Sarah

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Richard Bagger Paggett
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 18 Jan 1807
baptism/christening place: , WOMBRIDGE, SHROPSHIRE, ENGLAND
father's name: Benjmin Paggett
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: C06490-1
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 510685

should have paid more attention in geography class obviously!!!!