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Going to 'put this to bed' until tomorrow Prickles - I am getting no-where at the moment. - I will pick it up again then.

Sorry,

Dea Xxx

Everything crossed for arrival of death cert.

it certainly stops the boredom creeping in.

Maryb

Boredom has been well and truly replaced by frustration Maryb :-D

Dea Xxx

Ohhh, sorry guys honestly.

Will it never end???

Oops............the drama queen side of me came out then!! x

See you tomorrow Prickles !!

We are 'with you', even though we do not seem to be of much help at the moment !!

Dea Xxx

P.S. - Can you put your old avatar back please - It is so much more soothing :-D

This new one scares me !!

Dea Xxx

Do you know, as ridiculous as it sounds, i actually feel uncomfortable with this avatar showing on the "Find Ancestors" board.
Out of respect when searching for dead people.......it's seems highly inappropriate. See, i told you it would sound ridiculous But true!!

Off to change my avatar............. :-S

Well.........the death cert has arrived but just as i thought, no clues!! Boo Hooo!

Mary Masters 16/08/1888 Adelaide Rd, St Denys, South Stoneham Age 30.

Wife of Charles Masters....General Labourer.

Informant: Charles Masters, Widower of Deceased, present at the death.


(Cause if death Phthisis in case you are interested!!)

Nudging again for the "Night Time Fairies"...........almost time to let this go!!

Nudging for the "Weekender's" Sorry!

From process of elimination, your Mary Saunders seems to be the one with her mother, Sarah, boarding with the Randall family on the 1871 census.

But, where oh where are those two on the 1861 census?

They're not the same family as the Sarah and Mary with James Saunders as the head.

Hi Christina........i am just wondering what makes you think that the 1861 and 1871 records are not connected?
Although i do see that it states Mary was born Lymington on the 1861 and Eling on the 1871!



Going back to what Maryb said regarding that 1871 census..........it is quite possible that it does actually read..........Unmarried!

Having said that.........i wonder if she was married and this is husband James.......




1861 England Census
about James Saunders
Name: James Saunders
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Milford, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: South Stoneham
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Saviour
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: South Stoneham
Sub-registration district: South Stoneham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3l
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 310
Piece: 681
Folio: 54
Page Number: 51
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hicks 61
Mary Ann Hicks 60
Ellen J Hicks 27
Mary Ann Brown 42
James Saunders 39 (Visitor) Married. Painter.

James Saunders possibly married Sarah Hicks -


Marriages Dec 1845 (>99%)
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BREAKER Mary Ann Lymington 8 335
BURNETT John Lymington 8 335
COLE Mary Lymington 8 335
Freeman Ann Lymington 8 335
>>>>>>>>>HICKS Sarah Lymington 8 335
HOLMES David Lymington 8 335
PHILLIP Wiliam Lymington 8 335
PHILLIP William Lymington 8 335
>>>>>>>>>SAUNDERS James Lymington 8 335

Ahhhh, i get it now..............because here is that family all together in 1861....that i posted earlier. Doh!!!


1861 England Census
about Mary A Saunders
Name: Mary A Saunders
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Saunders
Mother's name: Sarah Saunders
Gender: Female
Where born: Lymington, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Lymington
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Lymington
Sub-registration district: Lymington
ED, institution, or vessel: 3d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 40
Piece: 663
Folio: 52
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
James Saunders 39
Sarah Saunders 38
Emma Saunders 12
Martha Saunders 7
Mary A Saunders 4

As you can see...........i am litrerally going round in circles!! :-S



So this is the one in question....



1871 England Census
about Mary Saunders
Name: Mary Saunders
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Eling, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Eling
Ecclesiastical parish: Eling St Mary
Town: Totton
Coun
ty/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: New Forest
Household Members:
Name Age
John Randall 46
Ann Randall 43
Amelia Randall 12
William Randall 4
Sarah Saunders 38 (Married/Unmarried? ) Born Milford Hampshire
Mary Saunders 11 Born Eling Hampshire
George Genard 48 (Lodger) Beaminster Dorset

looks as though that James Saunders was registered on the 1861 census twice - once with his family (wife Sarah) and a visitor with the Hicks family !


SAUNDERS, James Head Married M 39 1822 Painter Journeyman
Milford
Hampshire VIEW
SAUNDERS, Sarah Wife Married F 38 1823
Milford
Hampshire VIEW
SAUNDERS, Emma Daughter F 12 1849 Scholar
Milford
Hampshire VIEW
SAUNDERS, Martha Daughter F 7 1854 Scholar
Lymington
Hampshire VIEW
SAUNDERS, Mary A Daughter F 4 1857
Lymington
Hampshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG09 Piece:
663 Folio:
52 Page:
9

Registration District:
Lymington Sub District:
1 Lymington Enumeration District:
3D Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Lymington Municipal Borough:
Lymington Address:
High Street, Lymington County:
Hampshire

These are James and Sarah Saunders' children on the 1871 census.

Lymington - Queen Street

John Daney - head - 53 - Devon
Emma Daney - wife - 22 - Milford
Mary A. Saunders - wife's sister - 14 - Lymington
Ellen Saunders - wife's sister - 2 - Lymington


So this Mary can't be the one who is boarding with the Randalls.

Hi Choccy, that is where i got confused...........or even more confused i should say.

The only glimmer of hope is the 1871......!!

I appreciate your time.............Thankyou.

Please don't be afraid to tell me if i am going loopy.............but

If that is James and Sarah's children in 1871.....Mary with married sister Emma.

Why can't that be my Mary lodging with the Randall's in 1871?

Be gentle with me!!

computer crashed !


Sarah Saunders with the Randall family has 'lost' 10 years. She is 38 in 1871 and 38 in 1861, but perhaps an error ?

Don't worry - I'm quite sure it's me and not you!

What I meant was ......... Sarah and Mary Saunders, the boarders with the Randalls, are not the same Sarah and Mary who are with James Saunders in 1861.

That doesn't mean that I don't think your Mary is the one boarding with the Randalls ...... because I DO think she is.

The problem I have, though, is whereabouts are the boarding Saunders on the 1861 census?

Hope that's clearer. You're by no means the first person to tell me I don't explain myself properly. I don't see it myself!

Phew!! Thankyou for clearing that up Christina!

Not that it helps.........but at least we are on the same wave length!