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I think you're right Christina. I have started trawling through the records held for Essex but I'm not even having any luck with the Ansells. Still, I've only just started so you never know.

Hi Dee, I'm concerned you might be wasting your money with that. It will likely say the same thing as Henrietta's birth certificate did.

I don't think anyone ever authenicated the information given on birth or marriage certificates at that time.

Girls,
I'm wondering if some light may be shed if I send for the birth certificate of George in 1879. (Was it a legal requirement that the mother state her maiden name on a birth certificate?)

I don't know Mary. Maybe. John Whitlock and Ann Hannah are probably the ones having their children baptised at Bryantston Square on Ancestry London Baptisms. The family are there together on the 1881 census, but I can't find any of them, for certain, on the 1891.

What a pity they don't have that 1883 John Tubb marriage on London Marriages.

Just had a message back from Joan. No luck with Tubess in Barking. However, all their records going back to the beginning are now free online so I will start searching.
I'm wondering if some light may be shed if I send for the birth certificate of George Robert in 1879. (I suppose if George registered the birth and Mary had lied to him as well about whether she was already married he would probably still be under the illusion that Mary was nee Tubess) but perhaps worth a try?

O/N/D 1883 1b 952 St Giles London.
John Tubb and Ann Anna WHITLOCK.

Is there a connection here with Whitlock Tubb 1877??

John Albert Whitlock born @ 1840 died Marylebone O/N/D 1882.
1881 John is with Ann H 1845.

Marriege 1866 Marylebone John Whitlock and Ann H Hall.
So should she be Ann Hannah Hall.

Annn Hannah Hall 1847??
1871 Christchurch D 9 >40 St Marylebone
George hall 1827 Paddington labourer
Hannah 1827 Paddington Flower Hawker.
Ann Hannah Hall says ditto under parents for married
Mary Hall unmarried Flower Hawker.

Death ?? Ann Tubbs born @ 1846 died Kensington 1898.


Maryb

Good one Christina,

Don't know how I missed it !!!!


1901
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TUBB, John Head Married M 42 1859 Sweep
London VIEW
TUBB, Ellen Wife Married F 27 1874
Tretower
Brecknockshire
South Wales VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
73 Folio:
125 Page:
60

Registration District:
Chelsea Sub District:
Chelsea North Enumeration District:
13 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Simon's

Civil Parish:
Chelsea Municipal Borough:
Address:
9, Leverett Street, Chelsea County:
London



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Regards Vera

Is this John in 1901?

Can't cut and paste I'm afraid.

Chelsea - Leverett Street

John Tubb - head - 42 - sweep - London
Ellen Tubb - wife - 27 - South Wales

I couldn't find a marriage either. I also couldn't find them on the 1901 census.
I wonder where Alice and Whitlock were in 1881.
Regards Vera

Trying to find Alice and Whitlock in 1881 but no good....the only Whitlock i can find of a similar age was born in Wales.... and he wasn`t registered in Marylebone area c1877 if thats where he was born...



Nicky

Yes, that must be him. Well done Vera. It doesn't look as though he married Alice though.

1891

Found this one...

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TUBB, John Head Married M 39 1852 Chimney Sweep
Paddington
London VIEW
TUBB, Alice Wife Married F 43 1848 Flower Seller
Marylebone
London VIEW
TUBB, Frances Daughter F 5 1886
Marylebone
London VIEW
TUBB, Whitlock Son M 14 1877 Scholar
Marylebone
London VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
98 Folio:
30 Page:
51

Registration District:
Marylebone Sub District:
Christchurch Enumeration District:
1 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Barnabas

Civil Parish:
St Marylebone Municipal Borough:
Marylebone Address:
15, Providence Place, St Marylebone, Marylebone County:
London


Regards Vera

Yes i`d seen that but he seems to disapear after that...couldn`t find a death that matched up agewise either, except for one in Burnley Lancs in 1911.... but i couldn`t find anyone of that name in Burnley on the 1911 census...



Nicky

In the 1881 census John William (if it's the same one) was living with his mum, although the census says he was married there is no wife listed.

Particularly so if the registrar was from the north east of England .... maybe

Mary Sophia Tubb was born in a workhouse. Does this imply that her mother was no longer living with the father?

Thats whay I thought Dee.....

That she had said Boot maker and was heard as boat maker...hence boat builder....

Not grasping at straws at all......



nicky

Girls,
Bit of family input here. Boot, Boat, not a million miles apart, different accent perhaps or a registrar who was slightly deaf!! . A mistake in what they thought she said. Perhaps they thought she said boat maker rather than bootmaker and changed it to boat builder. Am I grasping at straws?

Sorry getting confused, that Benjamin is the bootmaker. So Limehouse being beside the Thames is useless.

Just discovered Limehouse is right on the Thames which would make Mary's dad being a boat builder plausible.

Head is about to explode.........................