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I see what you mean Dee. I'd have thought that if her name really was Tubbess, she would have known how to spell it!

Unfortunately, the baptism won't have been signed by either of the parents.

Girls,
It's probably a coincidence but if you look at the 1879 marriage where Mary has signed her name. Is it my imagination or is there a big gap between the 'b' and the 'e', almost as if she hesitated and was going to write something else? It's just that on Henrietta's baptism the name was spelt as Tubbess.
Is it worth me getting a copy of Henrietta's baptism?

Mary,

What do you think of the signature compared to the one of Mary Ansell on her marriage certificate to John William Tubbs - 1874 - Paddington

It's on Ancestry's London Marriages

It's a hard call isn't it?

No ..... I can't find anyone else writing their "y" with a downward loop. So, it would certainly be a coincidence if it wasn't her.

I wonder just how often Mary would have needed to sign her name, and would she have developed a definite signature?

I think the "M" on the marriage certificates are more alike than on the 1911.

I still don't know Dee.

I really wanted this to be an obvious match, but Mary's signature looks much more like her 1911 one than it does on the marriage to John Tubb, which was only 5 years previously.

I'm going to have to look through all my certificates to see if I can find anyone else who signed their "y" in that way.

Christina

Me and hubby thinks it is the same what do others think.
I printed it off and held it against the 1911 census.

She has a very distinctive way of writing the Y and all other letters look the same.

The little tinker saying she was a spinster.

Maryb.

Have PM'd mine too.

Christina

Hi Dee,I have PM'd my E.Mail.

Maryb

Morning everyone,
Christina, Mary, Mel, Vera, everyone,
Well, it's here. The marriage certificate for George Scivier and Mary Tubess and this one is the real McCoy and has Mary's signature.
I would really value your opinions on it.

Please let us know as soon as you do.

Fingers crossed that the signatures match.

I think it was just a 'perhaps she' type statement, there was no supporting documentation. I've been searching all day for Benjamin names but nothing even relatively possible.
I am sticking to the original theory you gave.
I can't wait to get the marriage doc.

Marriages Mar 1846 (>99%)
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...........Ansell Benjamin Stepney 2 411
Chapell Frederick Stepney 2 411
Eden Elizabeth Jane Stepney 2 411
Gowers Joseph Edred Stepney 2 411
.............Mahoney Sophia Stepney 2 411
Pennell Esther Stepney 2 411
Sifleet Eliza Ann Stepney 2 411


Regards Vera

Dee,
When you say she could have used her mothers maiden name....on what document please? Sorry if I am being a bit thick !!!


Regards Vera

I think she means that she could have used Benjamin (which might have been her mum's maiden name) and Tubess (if she had already been married to John Tubbs and spelt it a different way.) As someone said earlier in the thread there wouldn't have been any check made and if her dad and mum were already dead George would have been no wiser either. Does that make sense? I'm not articulating myself very well I'm afraid.

I don't understand what you mean.

Girls,
A lady called Eileen has just messaged me with the suggestion that maybe Mary's mother's name was Benjamin. I'm going to see what I can drag up.

Dee,
You can get a copy of the actual page from the register, a few years ago when I was having the same problems you are having, I was sent an actual copy of the page.( privately) I also needed to see the signature.

If you can find where the actual church register is held, I am sure you can get a copy.
Just read the above reply again.....I do hope it is the right copy that comes from Bromley.

Regards Vera

Fingers crossed that the certificate from Bromley is a copy of the Church Register. This is the reply I have just received from the GRO.

Thank you for your enquiry.

Certificates issued from this office are certified to be a true copy of an original entry in the register of Births, Deaths, Marriages and as such are acceptable for all official purposes.

The original entry must remain in the register book in the local office where the event was registered. Therefore only certified copies can ever be issued.

Christina...seax.essexcc.gov.uk

Which site are you looking on Dee? Is it the Essex Parish Records online site?

Thanks for bringing that site to my attention - I hadn't realised it existed. But, if it is that one, please don't confuse Barking with Barkingside, as they're different towns.

No - just realised it can't be that one as that doesn't have anything in the Barkingside area either.

Pleae can you tell me which site you're looking at , as I need an Essex record for someone way back in my family tree.