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Hi,
Can anyone shed any light on Benjamin Tubess for me?
On the marriage certificate for George Scivier (32)and Mary Tubess (26)dated October 27th 1879, Parish Church of St. Paul, Penge, Surrey. Mary's father is listed as Benjamin Tubess (deceased).
Both Mary and George are living at the same address at the time of their marriage. I can't find any records for either Mary or her father. In fact I can't even find the name Tubess. I have tried every combination in the book with regards to the spelling of the name, letters missed out, letters replaced with similar ones, name spelt phonetically and absolutely nothing. I've also looked at criminal, migration, and parish records to no avail. Any help at all would be very gratefully received.

Does she always give Barking as her place of birth ?

Just looking at the 1881 at the moment

What is the occupation of Benjamin on the cert?

Have you got the birth certificates of any of the children, to see how Mary's maiden name is recorded?

It's got to be a mistranscripion. The only Tubess that comes up on Ancestry is her marriage.
It's also the only Tubess on FreeBMD.

On 1881 there is Alfred Hicks a nephew. Born Tottenham

1871

1871 England Census
about Alfred Ernest Hicks Name: Alfred Ernest Hicks
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's name: Robert Hicks
Mother's name: Maryann Hicks
Gender: Male
Where born: Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Tottenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Ann
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 144
Piece: 1340
Folio: 45
Page Number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Hicks 32
Maryann Hicks 26
Maryann Hicks 3
Alfred Ernest Hicks 1


and parents marroage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1869 (>99%)
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Hicks Robert Alfred Bethnal Green 1c 456
SCEIVER Mary Ann Bethnal Green 1c 456

so is Robert Hicks Mary Tubess sister?

Andy

I would say that Mary Ann Sceiver/Scivier is a sister of George who married Mary Tubess?

Who were the witnesses on Mary Tubess' marriage certificate?

Sorry am I missing something where did Barking come from.

Where did Hicks come from??

The marriage is not on London Marriages either for Surrey.

Joan, On the census returns (3 returns) it says that Mary was born Barking, Essex

EDIT

This is the 1881 census and it show Alfred Hicks (nephew)

Name: Mary Scivier
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Scivier
Gender: Female
Where born: Barking, Essex, England

Civil parish: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address: Cobden Rd 6 Glen Cottages
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 819
Folio: 47
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
George Scivier 33
Mary Scivier 29
Mary Scivier 3
George Scivier 1
Henrietta Scivier
Alfred Hicks 11 Nephew
William Brown 40
William Howson 50

1881

George SCIVIER Head M Male 33 Bishops Gate Carman
Mary SCIVIER Wife M Female 29 Barking, Essex, England
Mary SCIVIER Dau Female 3 Marylebone, Middlesex, England
George SCIVIER Son Male 1 Anerley, Surrey, England
Henrietta SCIVIER Dau Female 1 m Norwood, Surrey, England
Alfred HICKS Nephew Male 11 Tottenham, Middlesex, England Scholar
William BROWN Boarder W Male 40 Kingston, Surrey, England Gen Laborer
William HOWSON Visitor U Male 50 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Gen Laborer


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Source Information:
Dwelling Cobden Rd 6 Glen Cottages
Census Place Croydon, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341193
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0819 / 47
Page Number 24

Mel......Mary Sceiver married a Hicks...it looks as though she is George Scievers sister...

Andy was just following a lead on the 1881 census where Alfred Hicks is down as a Nephew....


FMP marriages dosn`t even list Mary as a possible bride of George Sceiver,,,,just 1 male and 1 female...


Nicky

Alfred Hicks
England and Wales Census, 1881

birth: 1870 —Tottenham, Middlesex, England
residence: 1881 —Wandsworth, Surrey, England
census: 1881 —Wandsworth, Surrey, England
parents: Robert Hicks, Mary Ann Hicks

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Alfred Hicks
age: 11
gender: Male
birth year: 1870
birthplace: Tottenham, Middlesex, England
relationship to head of household: Son
marital condition: Single
address: 46 Dempster Rd
census place: Wandsworth, Surrey, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341153
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 658 / 100
page number: 19

Alfred Hicks
England and Wales Census, 1881

birth: 1870 —Tottenham, Middlesex, England
residence: 1881 —Croydon, Surrey, England
census: 1881 —Croydon, Surrey, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Alfred Hicks
age: 11
gender: Male
birth year: 1870
birthplace: Tottenham, Middlesex, England
relationship to head of household: Nephew
marital condition: Single
profession/occupation: Scholar
address: Cobden Rd 6 Glen Cottages
census place: Croydon, Surrey, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341193
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 819 / 47
page number:

George Scivier
England and Wales Census, 1881

birth: 1848 —Bishops Gate
residence: 1881 —Croydon, Surrey, England
census: 1881 —Croydon, Surrey, England
spouse: Mary Scivier
children: Mary Scivier, George Scivier...

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: George Scivier
age: 33
gender: Male
birth year: 1848
birthplace: Bishops Gate
relationship to head of household: Head
marital condition: Married
profession/occupation: Carman
address: Cobden Rd 6 Glen Cottages
census place: Croydon, Surrey, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341193
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 819 / 47
page number: 24

George Scivier
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

spouse: Mary
child: Henrietta Scivier

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: Henrietta Scivier
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 1881
baptism/christening place: SAINT LUKES WOODSIDE, CROYDON, SURREY, ENGLAND
father's name: George Scivier
mother's name: Mary
indexing project (batch) number: K15404-1
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1067533

her year of birth is different on 1891 census

Address: 6, Groton Road, *, Wandsworth

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

SCIVIER, George Head Married M 40 1851 Labourer Winchester Hampshire
SCIVIER, Mary Wife Married F 42 1849 Barking Essex
SCIVIER, Mary Daughter Single F 14 1877 Servant London
SCIVIER, George Son M 11 1880 Hanby
SCIVIER, Lucy Daughter F 10 1881 Woodside
SCIVIER, Annie Daughter F 8 1883 Battersea London
SCIVIER, Alfred Daughter F 3 1888 Wandsworth London
SCIVIER, William Daughter M 2 1889 Wandsworth London

Mary Scivier
England and Wales Census, 1881

birth: 1852 —Barking, Essex, England
residence: 1881 —Croydon, Surrey, England
census: 1881 —Croydon, Surrey, England
spouse: George Scivier
children: Mary Scivier, George Scivier...



Mary Scivier
England and Wales Census, 1881

birth: 1878 —Marylebone, Middlesex, England
residence: 1881 —Croydon, Surrey, England
census: 1881 —Croydon, Surrey, England
parents: George Scivier, Mary Scivier

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: Mary Scivier
age: 3
gender: Female
birth year: 1878
birthplace: Marylebone, Middlesex, England
relationship to head of household: Daughter
marital condition: Single
address: Cobden Rd 6 Glen Cottages
census place: Croydon, Surrey, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341193
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 819 / 47
page number: 24


George Scivier
England and Wales Census, 1881

birth: 1880 —Anerley, Surrey, England
residence: 1881 —Croydon, Surrey, England
census: 1881 —Croydon, Surrey, England
parents: George Scivier, Mary Scivier

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: George Scivier
age: 1
gender: Male
birth year: 1880
birthplace: Anerley, Surrey, England
relationship to head of household: Son
marital condition: Single
address: Cobden Rd 6 Glen Cottages
census place: Croydon, Surrey, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341193
the national archives reference: RG11
piece/folio: 819 / 47
page number:

But Dee says she has the marriage certificate.

maybe if you could scan the image we could have a go a reading the original?