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John
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4 Jun 2011 22:34 |
Jonesy thanks for that. It expalins some other apparent anomalies with ages that I've come across John
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Jonesey
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4 Jun 2011 20:48 |
John,
In the 1841 census enumerators were instructed to reduce the age of anyone older than 15 to the nearest 5 or 0 below. Eg someone aged 21, 22,23 or 24 would be shown as 20 years old. Most but not all enumerators carried out those instructions.
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John
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4 Jun 2011 20:39 |
Jonesey thanks for the info. This ties in with mine, and possibly with a 1941 entry which may have ages for the parents wrong by 10 years. thanks again John
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Jonesey
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4 Jun 2011 19:52 |
1851:
Name: Alice Clough Age: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797 Relation: Head Gender: F (Female) Where born: Grindleton, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: West Bradford County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image Registration district: Clitheroe Sub-registration district: Clitheroe ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 18 Piece: 2256 Folio: 36 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age Alice Clough 54 Elizabeth Clough 32 born Bradford, Yorkshire John Clough 26 born Bradford, Yorkshire Ann Clough 20 born Bradford, Yorkshire Salina Clough 17 born Bradford, Yorkshire Silvester Clough 11 born Bradford, Yorkshire
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AnnCardiff
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4 Jun 2011 19:47 |
:-) :-) :-) :-)
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John
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29 May 2011 17:53 |
Ann thanks very much for the info. I was sure I'd got the line right, but not only did I get the marriage wrong, I also got confused between Bradford city and West Bradford. The Varley marriage also explains a marriage reference on lan-opc to Edward being the father of a bride called Elizabeth Varley. Thanks again. best wishes John :-)
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lancashireAnn
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28 May 2011 16:05 |
they seem to have had 12 children whose baptisms can all be found on lan-opc.org.uk
one of them from lancashirebmd.org.uk showing mmn = Varley
Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1855 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference CLOUGH Silvester Clitheroe Preston VARLEY CL/11/89
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lancashireAnn
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28 May 2011 16:00 |
sorry John but I think you have Edwards wife wrong
in 1850 he married Ellen Varley not Ellen Fell
Marriages Jun 1850 (>99%) ALTHAM Thomas Clitheroe 21 323 Scan available - click to view Chatburn Thomas Clitheroe 21 323 Scan available - click to view Clough Edward Clitheroe 21 323 Scan available - click to view Clough Susannah Clitheroe 21 323 Scan available - click to view Cottam Mary Taylor Clitheroe 21 323 Scan available - click to view Fell Ellen Clitheroe 21 323 Scan available - click to view
oops - beaten to it!!
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1850 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference CLOUGH Edward VARLEY Ellen Waddington, St Helen Preston C17/1/115
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1850 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference FELL Ellen CHATBURN Thomas Waddington, St Helen Preston C17/1/112
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Astra
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28 May 2011 09:05 |
Something is wrong here. Ellen Fell didn't marry Edward Clough.
Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference FELL Ellen CHATBURN Thomas Waddington, St Helen Preston C17/1/112
Marriages Jun 1850 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ALTHAM Thomas Clitheroe 21 323 >>Chatburn Thomas Clitheroe 21 323 Clough Edward Clitheroe 21 323 Clough Susannah Clitheroe 21 323 Cottam Mary Taylor Clitheroe 21 323 >>Fell Ellen Clitheroe 21 323 Howard Edmund Clitheroe 21 323 Varley Ellen Clitheroe 21 323
He must have married Ellen Varley?
Here it is!
VARLEY Ellen CLOUGH Edward Waddington, St Helen Preston C17/1/115
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John
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27 May 2011 21:29 |
Thanks for all the very helpful information. Unfortunately I don't have a marriage certificate. The Waddington connection looks especially hopeful, particularly as I had a duff link before I realised that West Bradford was nothing to do with Bradford city. I'll do an IGI lookup, and try the Lancashire parishes records with the new information thanks again John
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AnnCardiff
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27 May 2011 20:55 |
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William Clough England and Wales Census, 1881 birth: 1851 —Clitheroe, Lancashire, England residence: 1881 —Blackburn, Lancashire, England census: 1881 —Blackburn, Lancashire, England spouse: Elizabeth A Clough children: Ellen A Clough, John Thos Clough... record title: England and Wales Census, 1881 name: William Clough age: 30 gender: Male birth year: 1851 birthplace: Clitheroe, Lancashire, England relationship to head of household: Head marital condition: Married profession/occupation: Cotton Spinner address: 9 Esther St census place: Blackburn, Lancashire, England record type: Household family history library film: 1342003 the national archives reference: RG11 piece/folio: 4188 / 62
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AnnCardiff
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27 May 2011 20:53 |
Frederick Richard Clough England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 1870 residence: 1870 —Clitheroe, Lancashire, England parents: Edward Clough, Ellen record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 name: Frederick Richard Clough gender: Male baptism/christening date: 1870 baptism/christening place: ST. MARY, CLITHEROE, LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND birth date: 1870 father's name: Edward Clough mother's name: Ellen indexing project (batch) number: C16193-2 system origin: England-VR source film number: 1278858
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27 May 2011 20:53 |
Esther Anne Clough England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 1852 residence: 1852 —Clitheroe, Lancashire, England parents: Edward Clough, Ellen record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 name: Esther Anne Clough gender: Female baptism/christening date: 1852 baptism/christening place: ST. MARY, CLITHEROE, LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND birth date: 1852 father's name: Edward Clough mother's name: Ellen indexing project (batch) number: C16193-2 system origin: England-VR source film number: 1278858
Wallace Clough England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 11 Mar 1868 residence: 1868 —Clitheroe, Lancashire, England parents: Edward Clough, Ellen record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 name: Wallace Clough gender: Male baptism/christening date: 1868 baptism/christening place: ST. MARY, CLITHEROE, LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND birth date: 11 Mar 1868 father's name: Edward Clough mother's name: Ellen indexing project (batch) number: C16193-2 system origin: England-VR source film number:
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AnnCardiff
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27 May 2011 20:52 |
Ann Clough England and Wales Census, 1881 birth: 1853 —Clithroe, Lancashire, England residence: 1881 —Clitheroe, Lancashire, England census: 1881 —Clitheroe, Lancashire, England parents: Ellen Clough record title: England and Wales Census, 1881 name: Ann Clough age: 28 gender: Female birth year: 1853 birthplace: Clithroe, Lancashire, England relationship to head of household: Daughter marital condition: Single profession/occupation: Cotton Weaver address: 50 Hayhurst Street census place: Clitheroe, Lancashire, England record type: Household family history library film: 1342000 the national archives reference: RG11 piece/folio: 4172 / 104 page number:
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27 May 2011 20:51 |
James Clough England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 1853 residence: 1853 —Clitheroe, Lancashire, England parents: Edward Clough, Ellen record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 name: James Clough gender: Male baptism/christening date: 1855 baptism/christening place: ST. MARY, CLITHEROE, LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND birth date: 1853 father's name: Edward Clough mother's name: Ellen indexing project (batch) number: C16193-2 system origin: England-VR source film number: 1278858
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AnnCardiff
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27 May 2011 20:51 |
John Clough England and Wales Census, 1901 birth: 1856 —Clitheroe, Lancashire residence: 31 Mar 1901 —Clitheroe, Lancashire, England census: 31 Mar 1901 —Clitheroe, Lancashire, England record title: England and Wales Census, 1901 name: John Clough event: Census event date: 31 Mar 1901 age: 45 relationship to head of household: Head birthplace: Clitheroe, Lancashire record type: Household registration district: Clitheroe sub-district: Clitheroe ecclesiastical parish: Clitheroe Low Moor St Pauls civil parish: Clitheroe county: Clitheroe, Clitheroe, Clitheroe, Lancashire
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27 May 2011 20:50 |
Just to repeat, West Bradford is near Clitheroe (and Waddington is about a mile away) and no where near Bradford, Yorkshire. Possibly John can get back to us with the wedding certificate? And I thought he could look up the siblings in IGI (family search) himself.
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AnnCardiff
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27 May 2011 20:50 |
Thomas Clough England and Wales Census, 1881 birth: 1863 —Clithroe, Lancashire, England residence: 1881 —Clitheroe, Lancashire, England census: 1881 —Clitheroe, Lancashire, England parents: Ellen Clough record title: England and Wales Census, 1881 name: Thomas Clough age: 18 gender: Male birth year: 1863 birthplace: Clithroe, Lancashire, England relationship to head of household: Son marital condition: Single profession/occupation: Cotton Spinner address: 50 Hayhurst Street census place: Clitheroe, Lancashire, England record type: Household family history library film: 1342000 the national archives reference: RG11 piece/folio: 4172 / 104 page number: 23
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AnnCardiff
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27 May 2011 20:50 |
George Clough England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 1861 residence: 1861 —Clitheroe, Lancashire, England parents: Edward Clough, Ellen record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 name: George Clough gender: Male baptism/christening date: 1861 baptism/christening place: ST. MARY, CLITHEROE, LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND birth date: 1861 father's name: Edward Clough mother's name: Ellen indexing project (batch) number: C16193-2 system origin: England-VR source film number: 1278858
Edward Clough England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 1859 residence: 1859 —Clitheroe, Lancashire, England parents: Edward Clough, Ellen record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 name: Edward Clough gender: Male baptism/christening date: 1859 baptism/christening place: ST. MARY, CLITHEROE, LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND birth date: 1859 father's name: Edward Clough mother's name: Ellen indexing project (batch) number: C16193-2 system origin: England-VR source film number:
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AnnCardiff
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27 May 2011 20:48 |
son of Edward and Ellen
Silvester Clough England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 1855 residence: 1855 —Clitheroe, Lancashire, England parents: Edward Clough, Ellen record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 name: Silvester Clough gender: Male baptism/christening date: 1855 baptism/christening place: ST. MARY, CLITHEROE, LANCASHIRE, ENGLAND birth date: 1855 father's name: Edward Clough mother's name: Ellen indexing project (batch) number: C16193-2 system origin: England-VR source film number: 1278858
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