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getting a bit confused with the Glynn family i need some time to sort it out

Hi Alan,

I think Henry was actually Henry Glynn born Lambeth Dec 1860.

Dee x

thanks Batman's Daughter & Shirley, all the info about South Shields is correct,Robert Henry died in 1920 South Shields.Henry died in 1921 he had remarried in 1916 after his first wife died 1913.
We have all that infomation but sadly no birth date of Henry, wondering if he had had a different christian name before Charlotte married Robert.Do you think Chuch records would help. I have searched for this off & on for 20yrs
its a mystery. Thank you again for your help

Charlotte 1891
TODD, Charlotte Head Married F 53 1838
London VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
4160 Folio:
45 Page:
17

Registration District:
South Shields Sub District:
Westoe Enumeration District:
36 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Jude

Civil Parish:
Westoe Municipal Borough:
South Shields Address:
61, Corbridge Street, Westoe, South Shields County:
Durham

1911
FRANKS, Robert Head Single M 24 1887 Coal Hawker South Shields C Durham VIEW
TODD, Robert Henry Lodger Widower M 74 1837 Old Age Pensioner Washington C Durham VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30285 Reference:
RG14PN30285 RG78PN1745A RD556 SD1 ED26 SN108

Registration District:
South Shields Sub District:
South Shields Enumeration District:
26 Parish:
South Shields

Address:
2 Pallister St So Shields County:
Durham

1891 England Census
about R H Todd
Name: R H Todd
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Crew
Gender: Female
Where born: Washington, Durham, England

Civil parish: Vessels
Town: Derricks London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Arsenal
ED, institution, or vessel: Hawthorns
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 534
Folio: 121

Image states, Male, married, 2nd Engineer

It would be interesting to see what was on the 1911 census for Robert??

HOUSEHOLD TODD ROBERT HENRY M 1837 74 South Shields Durham

Sorry been talking on MSN to sis in Canada . That info looks good for Charlotte & Henry .Would seem he wasnt Roberts son.

1861 England Census
about Charlotte Glynn
Name: Charlotte Glynn
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: South Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: South Hackney
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 463
Piece: 162
Folio: 105
Page Number: 2
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Bygrave 56
Charlotte Bygrave 56
Charlotte Glynn 6


And their daughter with her Grandparents

1871 England Census
about John Glyne
Name: John Glyne
[John Glynn]
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's name: Nathaniel Glyne
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St Matthew Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Household schedule number: 120
Piece: 490
Folio: 45
Page Number: 23
Household Members: Name Age
Nathaniel Glyne 41 >> widow, cabman
John Glyne 14


And the previous census for Nathaniel;

1861 England Census
about Nathaniel Glynn
Name: Nathaniel Glynn
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Glynn
Mother's name: Mary Glynn
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Green
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 198
Piece: 257
Folio: 102
Page Number: 33
Household Members: Name Age
William Glynn 70
Mary Glynn 70
Nathaniel Glynn 30 >> Married
Charles Cook 36


So was there a breakdown in their marriage and John went with his father whilst Henry stayed with his mother???

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Henry Glynn
Name: Henry Glynn
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1860
Baptism Date: 17 Feb 1860
Father's name: William Glynn >. labourer
Mother's name: Charlotte Glynn
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney

Born in the Workhouse

Uuummm............

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Charlotte Bygrave
Name: Charlotte Bygrave
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Spouse Name: Nathaniel William Glynn
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 17 Jul 1853
Parish: St Jude, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Daniel Bygrave >> Shop keeper!!!
Spouse Father Name: William Glynn

Witnesses; daniel and Charlotte Bygrave!!



And maybe??

1861 England Census
about Charlotte Glynn
Name: Charlotte Glynn
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Bethnal Green

Civil parish: South Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: South Hackney
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Piece: 162
Folio: 37
Page Number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Glynn 24 >> Cannot determine her martial status
John Glynn 4
Henry Glynn 2 Born Hackney

many thanks for your help Shirley. if 1868 is the year of the marriage it means Henry was born out of wedlock,& may not be Robert's son

1851 England Census
about Charlotte Bygrave
Name: Charlotte Bygrave
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Daniel Bygrave
Mother's name: Charlotte Bygrave
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: South Hackney
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 50
Piece: 1506
Folio: 114
Page Number: 17
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Bygrave 46
Charlotte Bygrave 46
Charlotte Bygrave 16
Thomas H Green 21
Elizabeth Green 22

Shirley,

I think you're on the right tracks with the 1868 marriage!!

1901 England Census
about Robert H Todd
Name: Robert H Todd
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Washington, Durham, England

Civil parish: South Shields
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: SEA GOING ENGINEER!!

Condition as to marriage: WIDOW

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: South Shields
ED, institution, or vessel: 70
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 211
Piece: 4736
Folio: 129
Page Number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Ann E Bruce 45
Albert E Bruce 8
Robert H Todd 58

nope that one is 1868!!
Name: Robert Henry Todd
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1868
Registration district: Greenwich
Registration county (inferred): London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number:1023 spouse Charlotte Bygrave

this may be the marriage the year looks to be 1860 not 1868
Name: Robert Henry Todd occ Engineer
Age: Full Age
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Spouse Name: Charlotte Bygrave
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 11 Oct 1868
Parish: St James, Hatcham
County: Kent
Borough: Lewisham
Father Name: Jonas Todd dec.d
Spouse Father Name: Daniel Bygrave occ Shop keeper
address 295 New Cross Road for Robert
address 3 Pomeroy St for Charlotte

Name: Charlotte Todd
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1894
Age at Death: 57
Registration district: South Shields
Registration County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 458

1901
Name: Henry Todd
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie M Todd
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil parish: Wallsend
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Wallsend
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Wallsend
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 86
Piece: 4796
Folio: 86
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Todd 40
Annie M Todd 39
Florence A Todd 14
Henry Todd 12
Thomas Todd 10
Herbert Todd 6
Robert H Todd 5 >>>>> named after his dad???
Mabel Todd 4

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4796; Folio: 86; Page: 15.

maybe 1891
Name: Henry Todd
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Anna Mary Todd
Gender: Male
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil parish: Westoe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
Town: South Shields
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: South Shields
Sub-registration district: Westoe
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4160
Folio: 68
Page Number: 64
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Todd 30
Anna Mary Todd 29
Henry Todd 2
Elizabeth Horsburgh 22




Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4160; Folio 68; Page 64; GSU roll: 6099270.