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All this information is really appreciated, and has certainly given me a lot to research. I am starting to lose which path to follow. In your opinion which is the best info from above for me to concentrate my research.

The 1901 Chambers household at the address Florence gave when Arthur was born

John Chambers 30 - born Breconshire
Emily Chambers 29 - born Windsor, Berkshire
Wally Chambers 4
Edward Chambers 3


Great, two possible Emilys

Marriages Mar 1896
CHAMBERS John Reading 2c 532
Firmin George Henry B Reading 2c 532
Jordan Emily Reading 2c 532
Wilson Emily Reading 2c 532

No apparent connection with either one ...

Elizabeth in 1861 in Reading St Giles ...

Charles Talbot 32
Jane Talbot 30
Elizabeth Talbot 7
Charles Talbot 1
George Bridgewater 72

So that does seem to be the connection.

You tell me that in the morning...
But her parents were dead by 1891 I do believe as Ethel was a pauper on it and I havent checked for their deaths but her mother came from Reading?Elizabeth Talbot "as was" C1855....

"Take "the glory???Certainly not,leave that to you to give me.... :D

omg

Fine, take the glory now!

So what was Florence doing in Berkshire?

Ah...Before I go...

1911
With many more in the household and Florence lies that she is a "widow"?


MORRIS, Florence Servant Widow F 36 1875 Domestic Servant Henley on Thames
OSBORNE, Alice Servant Single F 47 1864 Domestic Servant Cripplegate City

Registration District
Wandsworth Sub District

Address
2 St John's Hill Battersea S W

It is a Hostelry/Inn/Pub......Lots of barmaids/barmen so a pretty busy place...

1901...What do you think??

SEAMIN, Frederick H Head Married M 49 1852 Refreshment Caterer
Kensington
London
SEAMIN, Mary A Wife Married F 48 1853 Refreshment Caterer
City
London
ANDERSON, Lizzie Servant Single F 50 1851 Assistant
City
London
STEPHENS, Ellen Servant Single F 52 1849 Assistant
Brighton
Sussex
>>>MORRIS, Florence Servant Married F 25 1876 Assistant
Henley on Thames
>>>MORRIS, Jack Servant Married M 26 1875 Assistant
Chelsea
Middlesex
POCOCK, John Boarder Single M 23 1878 Stationer
Bristol

Registration District
London City Sub District
St Sepulchre Enumeration District
7 Ecclesiastical Parish
St Dunstans in the West

Civil Parish
St Dunstan in the West Municipal Borough
Address
4, White Friars Street, St Dunstan In The West County
London

1891

BROWN, Charles W Head Married M 37 1854 Book Seller
London
BROWN, Marthina E Wife Married F 31 1860
Paddington
London
BROWN, Winifred E Daughter Single F 11 1880 Scholar
Paddington
London
DUNCOMBE, Constance E Visitor Single F 10 1881 Scholar
Paddington
London
JONES, Ada Boarder Single F 22 1869 Corresponding Clerk
London
CRANFIELD, Florence Servant Single F 16 1875 General Servant
Henley on Thames
Berkshire

Registration District
Paddington Sub District
St Mary Paddington Enumeration District
16 Ecclesiastical Parish
St Saviour

Civil Parish
Paddington Municipal Borough
Paddington Address
5, Clarendon Gardens, Paddington, London County
London

1881
CRANFIELD, Edward Head Married M 31 1850 Tailor Employing 4 Men 2 Boys
Henley
Oxfordshire
CRANFIELD, Elizabeth Wife Married F 26 1855
Reading
Berkshire
CRANFIELD, Florence Daughter Single F 6 1875 Scholar
Henley
Oxfordshire
CRANFIELD, Hilda Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar
Henley
Oxfordshire
CRANFIELD, Ethell Daughter Single F 2 1879
Henley
Oxfordshire
CRANFIELD, James Brother Single M 24 1857 Harness Maker
Henley
Oxfordshire
CRANFIELD, Thomas Brother Single M 17 1864 Tailor
Henley
Oxfordshire

Registration District
Henley Sub District
Henley Enumeration District
Ecclesiastical Parish

Civil Parish
Henley on Thames Municipal Borough
Address
Bell St, Henley On Thames County
Oxfordshire


I believe this is our missing Florence Cranfield and Jack/John Charles Frederick Morris on 1901 ,too tired to search more for Mr Morris and Florence on 1911...Will check back in the morning...

I think I searched for Frank no surname by his dob, location and place of birth -- only finding him from what Chris posted!

I'm not seeing the connection either, I admit, particularly since we haven't even found a Florence Cranfield! There's that one tenuous little link to Berkshire in JCFM's family ...

When you found Moscrip was it by doing a Phonetic search on the names? Ancestry seem to make a lot of mistakes.
I am still trying to tie in John Charles Frederick Morris and Florence Morris Formely Cranfield to their son Arthur Frederick. Will keep you posted if I find anything else.

I'd say:

Name: Charles Morris
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelsea, London, England

Civil parish: Fulham

cabdriver (groom)


But we do note the Berkshire connection in the 1891 census Chris posted!

Aargh.

I think the birthplace in Wales is Trimsaran, maybe, or at least so Google suggests.

... I'm still not finding the bleeders at Ancestry ...


AARGH

Ancestry has them as

Caroline Moscrip 44
Frank Moscrip 22
William Moscrip 18
Charles Moscrip 15
Varla Moscrip 13
Albert Moscrip 11


I didn't have a chance. ;)


Problem is ... no John/Frederick/Charles there ...


Argh ... I'm an idiot -- he is Charles.

Wonder what he might turn up as in 1901.

1891

MORRISS, Caroline Head Widow F 44 1847
?
Wales
MORRISS, Frank Son Single M 22 1869 Conductor Rd Car
Cardiff
MORRISS, William M 18 1873 Grocers Porter
Reading
Berkshire
MORRISS, Charles M 15 1876 Errand Boy
Pimlico
London
MORRISS, Varla Daughter F 13 1878 Apprentice
Chelsea
London
MORRISS, Albert Son M 11 1880 Scholar
Westminster
London

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
49 Folio:
21 Page:
46

Registration District:
Fulham Sub District:
Fulham Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Peters

Civil Parish:
Fulham Municipal Borough:
Address:
10, Orbain Road, Fulham County:
London

Chris :)

Births Dec 1877
MORRIS Viola Louise St Geo H Sq 1a 400

Per 1881 census, born Pimlico. Marries 1902 St Geo H Sq., George Francis Preston.

Can't find these people in 1891 or 1901.


Well, got Viola in 1901, no help there:

Name: Louisa Morris
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Female
Where born: Pimlico

Civil parish: St George Hanover Square

Eliza Henderson 58
Edwin Henderson 28
Maud Henderson 20
Ethel Henderson 18
> Louisa Morris 22
> Hugh Morris 1 Month
Emily Hutson 55
Margaret Fried 31
Jane Fried 25

Yes, he did need to go by a middle name.


1881

Name: Frederick Morris
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Morriss
Mother's name: Caroline Morriss
Where born: Chelsea, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St George Hannover Square
County/Island: London
Street Address: 2 Commercial Place

William Morriss 35 - joiner, born Swansea
Caroline Morriss 35 - born Drimsaren? Wales
Francis Morriss 12
William Morriss 8
Frederick Morris 5
Voila Morris 3
Albert E. Morris

Well, at least we can have little doubt that the birth and death are the same person -- there just aren't any other events to match that name.


So that one's mother was Caroline. This rules out the one I was looking at in 1901 in Battersea on page 1:

Henry W. Mockett 33 - born Chelsea
Mary J. Mockett 32
Frederick A. Morris 7 - stepson


The only marriage for the names:

Marriages Mar 1867
Morris William Swansea 11a 605
Thomas Caroline Swansea 11a 605

I now have birth certificate for a John Frederick Charles Morris, details as follows,born 21st july 1875 at 32 Christchurch street South Chelsea Middlesex, father William Morris ( occupation joiner) , mother Caroline Morris formely Thomas, informant was the father.
Also have death certificate for a John Frederick Charles Morris who died at Putney Hospital on 3rd march 1956 age 80, resided at 32 Havelock terrace Battersea, occupation retired hotel handyman, where it says informant it says W Elson. Causing the body to be buried,
91 Hazlebourne road S W 12
Even if these two certificates are the same person how is this going to tell me if this is THE John Frederick Charles that is connected to my family?
Hopefully it is as at this moment in time I have nothing else to go on.

I have a theory ...


1901

Name: Florence C Shaw
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882 - no such birth
Relation: Granddaughter
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: St Giles
County/Island: Berkshire
83 London St "The Fountain"

Joseph Shaw 64 - born Birmingham, engine fitter (disabled)
Elizabeth Shaw 50 - born Northampton L. Haddington
Florence C Shaw 19
William Harvey 35 - boarder, painter and decorator


Now at first I was eying the Oliver C Maurice MD household at #75 -- phonetics and all that.

But look who's right next door at # 85:

Francis Morris, 43, decorator, born London Pimlico
Frances Morris, 37, born Sussex


The Shaws in 1891 in St Giles at the same address (different neighbours):

Joseph Shaw 53
Elizabeth Shaw 42
Florence C France 9 -- I read it as Turner
Thomas Wilmot 54
Charles Chalk 24
Sarah J Chalk 20
Josef Giacobini 32

So this looks like that Florence, though:

Births Jun 1881
TURNER Florence Clara Birmingham 6d 114


As of 1881 and 1891, neither the Maurice nor the Morris had a son John ...


That Florence's mother in 1881, probably -- you'll like the address:

Street Address: Edgbaston St 4 CT 8 Ho
Civil parish: Birmingham
Joseph Shaw 42
Elizabeth Shaw 39
John Shaw 17
David Shaw 15
> Clara A. Turner 19 - daughter, married, tailoress
Joseph W. Turner 22
John Feran 64


But my theory is going nowhere. No Cranfield connection to be found.


So I'm back to: get the JFC Morris death certificate!

Oh, and get his birth certificate while you're there, and then we may have a chance of tracing him with parents in censuses.

The way my relatives are looking I dont want to claim any one extra. The biscuit factory is all yours. Biscuit factory seems to hold a lot of secrets and not all good ones.

Indeed, jax -- I was thinking that Reading must have been the biscuit supplier to all of England! Funny coincidence that my old weird Ernest Hill/Monck, who does seem to have been everywhere and done everything, was a biscuit factory loader there too. ;)

But he was settled in London in 1901 (after the side trip to Australia, before immigrating here to Canada), so Stella can't pull an AuntySherlock and try to claim him!

You know what I'd do next is get the death certificate for the John F C Morris I posted on page 1. The name is unique, I think, and the age matches with the birth in Chelsea.

It may be that a family member was the informant, or there might be some other useful info on it.