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Thank Janey and Chris.

I too think the 1898 looks the best one. I did not get a chance to compare anything last night but will try today.

I had found a Cooper that went out to South Africa and looks as though he was an uncle or relative to Annie, possibly why they went out.

Maybe her parents (if they went) just travelled under mr & Mrs Cooper or something vague like that!

Cheers everyone, you are terrific! :-)

Hmm ... Our A.M. Cooper was a Gwennap by 1951 when her husband Charles Gwennap died! And her estate papers are dated 1956. Oh, and she was born in 1887. ;)


So I think this is the only one that might be her:

Name: Miss A M COOPER
Date of departure: 10 September 1898
Port of departure: Southampton
Passenger destination port: Cape, South Africa
Passenger destination: Cape, South Africa

Does the image show any others with her?

Possibly both of these, then:

COOPER A M Unknown F 1898 Southampton South Africa Cape
COOPER A M Unknown F 1905 Southampton South Africa Cape
(no details available for the 1905 one?)

but I don't think the later ones are her.

1901 (Henry Cooper?)

HINES, George Head Married M 60 1841 Omnibus Driver
Thornham Parva
London
HINES, Frances M Wife Married F 60 1841
Thornham Magna
London
HINES, Arthur T Son Single M 27 1874 Cab Driver
St Marylebone
London
HINES, Ella E F Daughter Single F 22 1879 Dressmaker
St Marylebone
London
HINES, Ada A B R Daughter Single F 19 1882 Dressmaker
Paddington
London
COOPER, Henry F Visitor Married M 54 1847 Retired Printer
Diss
Norfolk

RG number:
RG13 Piece:
11 Folio:
21 Page:
13

Registration District:
Paddington Sub District:
St Mary Paddington Enumeration District:
45 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Peter Notting Hill Ken

Civil Parish:
Paddington Municipal Borough:
Address:
2, Wellington Mews West, Paddington County:London


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations),1861-1941
about Henry Frederick Cooper
Name: Henry Frederick Cooper
Probate Date: 31 May 1920
Death Date: 8 Apr 1920
Death Place: Norfolk, England
Registry: London

(probate to Egbert Frederick Cooper. chemist)

Thank you so much Chris, That lot looks very interesting will have to look into that.

Much appreciated! :-)

Name: Miss A M COOPER
Date of departure: 21 April 1953
Port of departure: London
Passenger destination port: Cape, South Africa
Passenger destination: Cape, South Africa

Date of Birth: 1903 (calculated from age)
Age: 50
Marital status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: School Teacher
Passenger recorded on: Page 1 of 2


Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
CITY OF HULL
181104
W A Roberson
Ellerman Lines Ltd.
Beira, Mozambique

(last address, 22a Cygnet House, Chelsea. SW 3)




Name: Miss A M COOPER
Date of departure: 24 December 1937
Port of departure: Southampton
Passenger destination port: Durban (Port Natal), South Africa
Passenger destination: Durban (Port Natal), South Africa

Date of Birth: 1905 (calculated from age)
Age: 32
Marital status:
Sex: Female
Occupation: Nurse
Passenger recorded on: Page 6 of 14


Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
DUNNOTTAR CASTLE
164637
R W Goodacre
Union-Castle
Cape, South Africa

9181
398

(last address, 3, Fenchurch St. E)


passenger transcript details
Name: Miss A M COOPER
Date of departure: 10 September 1898
Port of departure: Southampton
Passenger destination port: Cape, South Africa
Passenger destination: Cape, South Africa

Date of Birth:
Age:
Marital status: Single
Sex: Female
Occupation:
Passenger recorded on: Page 8 of 12


Ship:
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line:
Where bound:
Square feet:
Registered tonnage:
Passengers on voyage:
BRITON

E J Griffin

South Africa

(no details given)

Chris :)

Thanks Sylvia, I'll do that!

yes


it's on findmypast ................. but I don't have a sub to that site.

In fact, there was another A M Cooper leaving the UK for SA in 1898 .......


these are the two:-

COOPER A M Unknown F 1898 Southampton South Africa Cape

COOPER A M Unknown F 1905 Southampton South Africa Cape



I just did (as I think Janey did) the free search



you either need a sub or pay to view to see any further details




sylvia

Thanks Sylvia.

Could you find the one that Janey found in 1905?

Grace

This record is on findmypast

COOPER Henry Unknown M 1891 Southampton South Africa Cape VIEW



but I can't find any other members of the Cooper family




sylvia

Hi Janey,

Just following up on this Annie Melissa Cooper.

I can't locate this family in the 1901 census, this is as they were in 1891:

The 1891 English Census shows the Cooper family residing at High Street, in the Civil Parish of Saffron Walden, in the Administrative County of Essex. The household consists of:

Henry F (45) Head, Printer and Compositor, Employed, Born Diss, Norfolk
Melissa (41) Wife, Dressmaker, Employer, Born Thornham
Egbert Frederick (13) Son, Scholar, Born Saffron Walden, Essex
Henry J (11) Son, Scholar, Born Saffron Walden, Essex
Frank J (8), Son, Scholar, Born Saffron Walden, Essex
Annie M E (4) Daughter, Saffron Walden, Essex, England
James Cooper (81) Father, Widower, Living on own means, Born Diss, Norfolk

I can't find any matching death for Annie's mother Melissa or her father Henry, so I am wondering of as per your suggestion that she left England with her family.

You found the following record:

COOPER A M Unknown F 1905 Southampton South Africa Cape

I'm not sure if what you found gives you any more detail or if you can see if any of her family travelled with her? I can't locate a matching record on Ancestry ..

I have emailed the South African Archives, fingers crossed I will geta reply!

Any help would be appreciated! :-)

Thanks all.

Joy yes have used the OPC's a huge amount, but tehy were of no help to me to solve this particular mystery!

Thanks Sylvia for confirming that.

Thanks Janey, I'll have a go and try my luck!

The Cornwall OPCs are great, I know from personal contact with two of them.

But I think we're in South Africa at this point for sure. ;)

AG08, there are instructions at the SA archives site for obtaining copies of documents, but I'll wish you luck with that. I had some. I found two documents, either the same document or very similar ones (letter/s written by the man I was looking for to local government). I wrote to the two archives that held them. One said to go away and hire a local researcher to go and get a copy for me. The other said how was it supposed to send me photocopies if I hadn't given a postal address? So I did, and they sent me a half dozen pages free of charge.

Have you already contacted the OPC (online parish clerk)? And hope you know that all Cornish census are online free, other than the 1911. :-)

Grace


she was on her own, no-one else with the name Gwennap on board



sylvia

Could I please just ask,

When Annie returned to England on the shipping record found by Sylvia in 1916, was she accompanied by anyone or on her own?

I think you are all spot on the money and Annie Melissa is Charle's wife. I had a quick look at a Census and it seems her father was a painter - carpenter and teh family had stayed in the UK, so as suggested perhaps she went out there to be a servant or a teacher herself?

LOL, all that midnight magic!!!

It is early afternoon here, hence why I don't have any!

The midnight genii of GR, that's us! ;)

Oh you are all fantastic!

I knew he hadn't gone to the USA or Australia as I had checked Ellis Island and the Australian sites. The family seems to have spilt between America and Australia with the remainder staying in Cornwall.

He did have one brother who kept travelling back and forth to South Africa as a miner, but thank you all so much I would never have found him! (It never occurred to me to check that country, duh )

Janey there was another Charles in his family but he died very young and I assume they named this one after him!

I just couldn't find anything on Ancestry etc.

I have never tried to retrieve anything from the South African archives, I'll give it a try.

Thank you all once again, what legends of searching you are! Take a bow!!!

:D :D :D :P

I think more feasible that she went out with her family, or to join family members, or as a servant with someone ........ she'd only be about 18, surely a little young to be travelling by herself at that time?



sylvia

That's what I figured.

COOPER A M Unknown F 1905 Southampton South Africa Cape

?

-- maybe not so much followed him out as went ahead of him, possibly with her own family. (She was from Essex, maybe not likely to have crossed paths in England.) Or perhaps she was a schoolteacher too and travelled to work.