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I will thank you both x x

Hi all - hope your all well

I'm home, had a good holiday and the cert is here at last - opening it now ..................

Well, get on with it then........................ :D

Dea x

25th December 1871 - sweet date :o)

Dont laugh but iit looks like marriage solemnized at - The Pain Church ? in the parish of St John the Baptist, Nottingham.

Writing is awful !!

Alice Denton, 23, Spinster, No Rank / Prof, Looks like an address of Curly Place ?

Father - James Denton - Weiver !!!
DOES NOT SAY DECEASED !!!!

Witnesses - looks like Mary Ann Kelly and Joseph - maybe Kelly but looks slightly different to Mary Anns ?

ALICE SIGNED WITH A CROSS ??

George could write his name at least - is that normal for then that boys could and girls couldn't ?

Welcome back and glad you had a good time.

I just have to go and have my bath and get dressed then I will come back.

I will have to read through all the thread, and my notes as it has been so long, I've quite forgotton what we were looking for on this cert :D

Back as soon as I can.

Dea x

Hi Dea - thanks - enjoy your bath and talk soon :-)

Thank you for the update-glad you enjoyed your holiday. I did spend some time in the Huddersfield library looking for an original marriage for James Denton but sadly couldn't find anything. I was hoping to give some answers. Hope the certificate might help in your quest.-jl

The Kirkheaton baptism book has also arrived.

I was looking for that Thomas born 1830 with a father James as in the 1841 census.

This goes from 1830 - 1836 and the only Thomas in it is Isaac & Marys.

For £3 I'll order the upto 1830 as a last ditch attempt to find him !! Or, I might just post a request in case anyone already has it......

Oh thank you Janet - that was really good of you :-)

Doesn't surprise me - i think if this lot are finally traced they'll be related to the invisable man :-)

Its interesting that she describes her father as a weaver,as that was his original occupation, but when she was born he was a labourer. Did he go back to the weaving area of Huddersfield?-jl

Maybe ?

On both birth certs he's a labourer, on Alice's marriage he's a weaver and on George's marriage he's a shop keeper or the like - can't remember without digging my file out !!

There was one marriage at Kirkheaton which I have just found in my note book ,that was a James Denton Bachelor to an Elizabeth Stafford Spinster on the 30th Dec 1828. The witnesses were Richard Blackburn and a David Sugden. I think I have dismissed it but I cannot remember why-jl

Oopps - unexpected visitors arrived just as I got out of my bath !!

I'm 'on to it' now..................

Will be back when ('IF' :D) I find anything exciting.

We will get there in the end!!

Dea x

Was it you Janet that found the James 1811 and Thomas 1830 living together in 1841 census and suggested that Thomas may be the brother to Alice and George etc as listed on the 1871 census in Nottingham ?

Well, that was Round Hill

In the 1851 census, Thomas is a lodger and a miner, James I beliveve could be the one at Rowley Hill (could be same place) a widow with other children and a Lodger Harriett.

By 1861 he's still at address and now married to Harriett.

He stays there till he dies in I think it must be him in 1872 as I can't see him on the 1881 census.

That would fit for being alive at Alice's wedding in 1871 but deceased by Georges in 1873........

We've established that James & Martha never married so maybe she just had an affair with him while he was widdowed ?

Hi Arstee
Please you have had a good time and that the cert arrived
Will start looking
Regards
Barbara

Thanks Barbara - did you have a good birthday ?

Done lots of colouring, playing with dinosaurs and digging in the sand this afternoon and have now settled my little man down with a dvd so I'm looking again now before I do tea........

Just don't know where to look next !!! Think between us all we've probably looked at everything but that missing piece evades us :S

Will try under my sofa with the other junk :-)

Yes Arstee, I haven't found anything yet either :-(

We will all keep at it though, if there is something to be found, one of us will find it, I am sure.

Dea x

Just looked at areas, that Round Hill & Rowley Hill aren't the same place.

Rowley Hill is right by Lepton

Round Hill where that James & Thomas were on the 1841 census on the other hand is interesting, it's right by Rastrick where I found that Martha Briggs on the same census who had shop keeper parents !!!

Yes, we can scrap the Rowley Hill James as although he was married to a Martha before Harriett it's not the James listed in the 1841 with Thomas.

It's def the Round Hill one that vanishes !!

Hi Arstee
Thank you I had a wonderful birthday. The house looks like a florists shop and there is not a surface you can see for cards.
I will be back on the case tomorrow
Regards
Barbara