Find Ancestors

Drilling down at http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/index-e.html
to http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy/022-911.009-e.html
we can search the census - here's the Holtom images from 1881 on

1881 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008192459.pdf
1881 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008192460.pdf

1891 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148179-00118.pdf
1891 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1891/pdf/30953_148179-00126.pdf

1901 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z003/z000114195.pdf
1901 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z003/z000114196.pdf
1901 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z003/z000114198.pdf

1901 Census of Canada Page Information
District: ON WELLINGTON (North/Nord) (#125)
Subdistrict: Minto I-4 Page 7
39 66 Holtom Fredrick M Head M Jul 3 1859 41
40 66 Holtom Rebecca F Wife M Feb 23 1868 33
41 66 Holtom William J M Son S Jan 6 1886 15
42 66 Holtom Herbert H M Son S Aug 24 1890 10
43 66 Holtom Rossie C M Son S Mar 5 1893 8
Page 7
22 64 Holtom Robert M Head M Feb 21 1850 51
23 64 Holtom Sarah F Wife M Feb 21 1850 51
24 64 Holtom Fredrick C M Son S Aug 11 1878 22
25 64 Holtom Robert J M Son S Jan 21 1881 20
26 64 Holtom Eva M F Daughter S Mar 29 1883 18
27 64 Holtom Edith G F Daughter S Aug 25 1886 14
28 64 Holtom William M Step son S Nov 2 1877 23
29 64 Holtom John M Step son S Nov 28 1889 21
30 64 Holtom Mary E F Step daughter S Sep 28 1875 25
31 64 Holtom Robert M Step son S Jul 12 1884 16
[Fred's addy=Conc 16 lot pt 19;Rob't's addy=Conc 17 lot pt 17]

Page 4 50 41 Holtom Mary H F Head W Aug 26 1823 77
Page 5 1 41 Holtom Richard M Son S Oct 15 1855 45

Page 5
2 42 Holtom George M Head M Dec 2 1873 27
3 42 Holtom Bessie F Wife M Oct 21 1877 23
4 42 Holtom George A M Son S Feb 28 1897 19
5 42 Holtom Mary E F Daughter S Dec 12 1898 2
[Mary & George's addy=Conc 14 Lot 20]

http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z003/z000114190.pdf
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1901/z/z003/z000114191.pdf

1911 Census of Canada
Home / 1911 / Ontario / Toronto South / 13 ward 2 / page 14-15
49 130 Holtom Frederick M Head M Jul 1859 51
50 130 Holtom Rebecca F Wife M Feb 1868 43
1 130 Holtom William Jr. M Son M Jan 1888 23
2 130 Holtom Herbert H. M Son S Aug 1891 19
3 130 Holtom Ross C. M Son S Mar 1893 17
4 130 Holtom Jenny F Daughter M Sep 1887 23
5 130 Holtom Ross W. H. M Grandson S Feb 1909 2
6 130 Holtom May E. F Granddaughter S Jun 1910 11/12

1911 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002028115.pdf
1911 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/pdf/e002028116.pdf
[addy=157 Parliament St, abt 1km E of Yonge]

To locate the Minto twp addy, you need a concession map.
There are concession maps for most of southern Ontario at
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/SearchMapframes.php
in particular
http://digital.library.mcgill.ca/countyatlas/images/maps/townshipmaps/weli-m-Minto.jpg
In Minto Twp, a concession strip was 50 chains wide and a standard lot 20 chains, so 50*20=1000 sq chains, i.e., 100 acres.
Harriston was abt 60km NW of Guelph. and maybe 7 km S of Drew.


Here's the 2 US censuses mentioned. You're best to magnify them 4 clicks before saving the image.

http://www.archive.org/stream/14thcensusofpopu405unit#page/n424/mode/1up

http://www.archive.org/stream/illinoiscensus00reel516#page/n91/mode/1up
[addy=1108 S Commercial]


EDIT 1 mile=80 chains

Thanks - amazing I'm only 3 days into this and I am hooked. Couldn't believe it when I Googled my grandmother's name and found this thread.

How wonderful, Fred! Yes, please do as Marie Celeste suggests and click on Vicky's name and send her a private message. I'm sure she'd be thrilled!

Hello Fred, seeing as it's 6 months since there was any activity on this thread it may be worth contacting Vicky by clicking the purple "Send Message" button under her name and contacting her that way.

I just stumbled on this site and this discussion.

Sarah Vera Ann Halliday Holtom was my grandmother.

She married my grandfather Ross Holtom on April 15, 1918 in Toronto.

He died on June 21 1944.

She died on March 16, 1969 and was the widow of William McKibbin who she married after my grandfather died.

I have a Halliday family photo from 1904 showing my grandmother, her parents, her sister Mary and her brother Joe.

A note in my mother's handwriting on the back of the photo says that there were 2 more brothers to come "Billy & Paul".

Aha, I posted the John earlier:

HALLIDAY JOHN 1860 51 Sunderland Durham ?

and wondered whether this was Mary:

HALLIDAY MARY 1899 12 Sunderland Durham

but you may have them there in Suffolk (but why?):

HOLLODAY MARY JANE 1899 12 Sudbury Suffolk
HOLLODAY SARAH AN 1901 10 Sudbury Suffolk

I don't pay either, but a wildcard living with search gets us:

SALTER EBENEZER 1839 72 Sudbury Suffolk
HOUSEHOLD SALTER FRANCES 1847 64 Sudbury Suffolk
SALTER ERNEST GEORGE 1879 32 Sudbury Suffolk

and a guess identiifes Sarah and Mary as boarders. Not much help!

There is also a John Halliday born 1860 in Northumberland living in Sunderland in 1911

Maybe some kind member could take a look at the details of the 1911 census as I think that Sarah and Mary are mistranscribed as HOLLODAY and they are living in Sudbury, Suffolk and both state their birth place as Ryhope :D

So this means you're in touch with family now?? If so, yay!

In case not, or it helps tracing family, this is Sarah/Vera's husband in the 1911 Cdn census:

http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/index.jsp

Holtom Frederick M Head M Jul 1859 51 1901 Holtom Rebecca F Wife M Feb 1868 43
Holtom William Jr. M Son M Jan 1888 23 1901 Holtom Herbert H. M Son S Aug 1891 19 1901
> Holtom Ross C. M Son S Mar 1893 17 1901
Holtom Jenny F Daughter M Sep 1887 23 1901
Holtom Ross W. H. M Grandson S Feb 1909 2 1901
Holtom May E. F Granddaughter S Jun 1910 11/1

Thanks again you are all brilliant and I can now confirm that Sarah is know as Vera! I do not know why but she is!! ;-)

Thanks also for the website for home children I shall make an entry very soon.

Vicky x
:D :D :D :D :D :D

I think the only thing to do is order the marriage certificate to see if her maiden name was Hogg.

Marriages Jun 1898 (>99%)
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Caley Alice Ann Sunderland 10a 929
Halliday John Sunderland 10a 929

Oh drat, Margee!

I'd figured out that Middlesbrough was Stockton reg dist until 1875, and searched there, and missed this:

Births Dec 1866
Hogg Alice A Stockton 10a 38

There she be.

Why the Caley ... ? Still assuming it is the same person.


One possible answer:

Marriages Sep 1885
? Cawley Patrick Sunderland 10a 746
Cunningham Annie Sunderland 10a 746
Hall William Andrew Sunderland 10a 746
? Hogg Alice Sunderland 10a 746

But no matching death for Patrick by either spelling that I see.

The Caley-Halliday marriage cert seems a necessity to sort it out.


Note that in my second post on this page I did give a very handy chronological summary of events with the GRO index refs for each:

first Halliday marriage to Smith 1888
Joseph Halliday birth 1889
second Halliday marriage to Caley 1898
Mary J Halliday birth 1898
Sarah A Halliday birth 1900
> Alice Ann Halliday death 1907
1901 census household

all there for handy reference!

I wonder if this is Alice Ann's death?

Deaths Sep 1907 (>99%)
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HALLIDAY Alice Ann 40 Sunderland 10a 352

Here is a post i received that you may find interesting Vicky...........

To Prickly Holly, we are building a site called www.britishhomechildren.org

We have a database on there and encourage descendants and researchers to add or claim their child on the site, please feel free to add your relatives.

I agree, JC.

Incidentally there is this birth for Alice A. Hogg in Middlesbrough on Tees Valley Indexes:

Search births - results for ALICE HOGG 1860 to 1880

Result Year Forename Initial Ref Number Click to contact
1 1866 ALICE A M-V-045-0-0044 Middlesbrough

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This is what makes it look more likely that the bride of Ross Holtom in Ontario was our Sarah Ann -- the father's name matches exactly, the mother's given names match exactly, the place of birth matches exactly.

I think either the record is so illegible that Sarah was read as Vera -- or our Sarah decided to take on a more modern name! It certainly happened. ;)

I did check for a Hogg/Caley marriage right off, note. Don't see one. But -- there's no birth of an Alice Ann Caley, just the 1898 marriage to Halliday.

That certificate needs checking to see whether she was previously married -- or Sarah Ann Halliday's birth certificate should show. I think that's the only way to gell whether there's a match with Vera Ann Halliday in Ontario.

The 1901 census makes Alice Ann born c1867/8 in Middlesbrough. There's no birth to match, just an Alice Ann Hogg Mar 1869 in Tynemouth. That one is in the 1871 with parents Archebold and Margaret in Wallsend. There are a couple of other candidates in 1871.

This is interesting:

Marriages Dec 1896
Cochrane Eliza Sunderland 10a 988
? Hogg Alice Ann Sunderland 10a 988
Nesham Matthew Sunderland 10a 988
Thomas James Sunderland 10a 988

It seems that Nesham and Cochrane married (1901 census).


Well. This sure is a match for Alice Ann Caley Halliday in 1881:

Name: Alice Ann Hogg
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Niece
Where born: Middlesbrough, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Bishopwearmouth
County/Island: Durham

Charles Stoddard 54 - born Chatham, Kent
Margt. Stoddard 52 - born near Berwick on Tweed
Alice Ann Hogg 14


So it's looking increasingly like that Vera Ann Halliday marrying in Ontario is the right person.

Vicky, I'm surprised that you haven't made mention of the fact that Mary Smith was not the mother of Sarah & Mary as you said in your original post. I think that we have proved that they were daughters of John and his second wife Alice Ann. I suspect that her maiden name was Hogg and she was previously married but can't find any confirmation of that.

That clears that up thank you :D

Vicky, Jane and Richard are just the other 2 names on the same page. Ignore them. There are 4 names per page, 2 males and 2 females. The problem is to find who married who. Since we know that Thomas married a Susannah Ozi matched them up so evidently Richard married Jane.

Thanks Ozi,

for this but I don't understand who Jane, and Richard are and how they fit into all this?

any help please.

cheers

Vickyx :D