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CUTLER, Norfolk and/or Liverpool (1800's)

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JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 20 Apr 2011 02:59

Joseph Cutler was born in LIVERPOOL in 1889.

His father was born in LIVERPOOL, --- so, born say in the 1860s

HIS father was born in NORFOLK. -- so, born say in the 1830s-1840s
This man, born in Norfolk had 2 brothers (at least) and inherited money from a 'rich' father who passed away.


Here's a household in Norfolk in 1841 with three sons ...

Civil parish: St Margaret
Registration district: Kings Lynn
William Cutler 41
Mary Cutler 40
Susan Cutler 15
William Cutler 13
Thomas Cutler 7
Mary Cutler 5
Rose Cutler 2
Josiah Cutler 3 MO

But father is a labourer.


Two sons with an unmarried mother in 1851:

Civil parish: Acle
Registration district: Blofield
Elizabeth Cutler 43
William Cutler 19
George Cutler 13

She's a washerwoman.


That's about the best I'm finding.

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 20 Apr 2011 02:58

No more Cutler/Jolly children born after 1911.

Rose

Danny

Danny Report 20 Apr 2011 02:58

Yeah that Joseph Cutler with the sister Ivy, Joseph is my great grandfather.

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 20 Apr 2011 02:57

So were are looking for Joseph Edward Cutler Snr who was your GREAT GREAT grandfather.

Rose

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Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)
Cutler Joseph Edward W. Derby 8b 722
Jolly Emily Elizabeth W. Derby 8b 722

Rose

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No father at home in 1911

Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other Transcript Original page
HOUSEHOLD CUTLER IVY F 1908 3 West Derby Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD CUTLER JOSEPH M 1910 1 West Derby Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD CUTLER MRS EMILY F 1884 27 West Derby Lancashire

Rose

Danny

Danny Report 20 Apr 2011 02:53

His wife was a 'Jolly'. We think it may have been Emily Eliza Jolly, born around 1884. There was definitely a JOLLY link.

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 20 Apr 2011 02:53

On an older thread you said your grandmother was a Cutler with MMN Flynn.

I'm guessing this must be her parents' marriage:

Marriages Mar 1930
Cutler Joseph E Flynn W.Derby 8b 477 Flynn Ellen Cutler W. Derby 8b 477

Since the marriage is in 1930, was Joseph E really born in the 1880s or was he this one?

Births Jun 1910
CUTLER Joseph Edward W. Derby 8b 295

Rose

jax

jax Report 20 Apr 2011 02:52

No Gonville roads anywhere in 1891

Is this Norfolk in England or Canada perhaps?

jax

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 20 Apr 2011 02:50

Who was his wife so we can confirm a middle name?

Rose

Danny

Danny Report 20 Apr 2011 02:44

Thanks for that. I'm on the phone to my grandmother at the moment. Joseph Edward Cutler was born in the 1880's in the 'Almas/Almos Pub' or something.

There's also a reference to 'Gonville Road' possibly number 48.

I really do appreciate all your help guys. Thanks for bearing with me. It may be that he lied about his birthplace as he 'jumped ship' while in the Navy which I'm told was a capital offence back then. I think it may be hard to track. I may hav to go order the birth certificates and trace it that way.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 20 Apr 2011 02:42

I just did a general search of all UK censuses 1851-1901 (1841 doesn't show birthplace) for Cutler in Lancashire born in Norfolk.

There's one, Ethel M Cutler aged 11, a visitor, in 1901.

Hmm.

Lynski

Lynski Report 20 Apr 2011 02:39

Who was your grandfather? It is possible that we can work backwards?

There are no Joseph Cutler's born in Liverpool, or Lancashire, between 1885 and 1890 on FreeBMD?

There are these -

Births Sep 1886 (>99%)
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Cutler Joseph William Rotherham 9c 654

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Births Dec 1887 (>99%)
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Cutler Joseph Dudley 6c 84

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Births Sep 1888 (>99%)
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CUTLER Joseph William King's N 6c 4_6

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Births Dec 1888 (>99%)
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CUTLER Joseph Percy Greenwich 1d 998

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Births Mar 1889 (>99%)
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Cutler Joseph Frank Wimborne 5a 241

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Births Jun 1889 (>99%)
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Cutler Joseph Henry St. Giles 1b 647

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Births Dec 1889 (>99%)
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Cutler Joseph James Houghton 10a 432a

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Births Sep 1890 (>99%)
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Cutler Joseph Henry Brighton 2b 238

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There's one born 1882.

Births Sep 1882
Cutler Joseph Edward W. Derby 8b 407

Rose

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Danny,

There's isn't a Joseph born in 1889 in that area.

Rose

Lynski

Lynski Report 20 Apr 2011 02:35

??????????
Births Dec 1889 (>99%)
Cutler Mary Jane Liverpool 8b 50
Cutler Thomas Liverpool 8b 50

Twins???

Of course, this is all pure speculation until you get back to us

Danny

Danny Report 20 Apr 2011 02:34

Thanks for your help guys, just a bit of confusion. I looked over my notes. Here's the clarification.

Joseph Cutler was born in LIVERPOOL in 1889.

His father was born in LIVERPOOL, and

HIS father was born in NORFOLK. This man, born in Norfolk had 2 brothers (at least) and inherited money from a 'rich' father who passed away.

Sorry for the confusion. And thanks for helping. Like I said, it's a major long shot...

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Click ADD REPLY button - not this link! Report 20 Apr 2011 02:30

Thomas Cutler died age 3 so he can't be your great grandfather.

Rose

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There are no Cutlers born Norfolk in Liverpool in 1891.

Rose

Lynski

Lynski Report 20 Apr 2011 02:23

1891 census -

This is the only male Cutler in the Registration District of Liverpool, 1889 (+/- 2 years) - James.

Is it a coincidence that there are 3 sons???

CUTLER, James J Head Married M 26 1865 Ale & Porter Vanman
Ireland VIEW
CUTLER, Mary J Wife Married F 28 1863
Liverpool VIEW
CUTLER, George Son M 5 1886 Scholar
Liverpool VIEW
CUTLER, James Son M 3 1888
Liverpool VIEW
CUTLER, Thomas Son M 1 1890
Liverpool VIEW
CUTLER, Mary J Daughter F 1 1890
Liverpool VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
2900 Folio:
32 Page:
4

Registration District:
Liverpool Sub District:
St Martin Enumeration District:
11 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Matthew

Civil Parish:
Liverpool Municipal Borough:
Liverpool Address:
30, Nursery Street, Liverpool County:
Lancashire

The only way to be sure is to work backwards from your grandfather