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Oh dear....

Looks like i've got a bit of new researching to be doing!!

How could I have got that so wrong????

Name: Jane Ratley
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 3 Apr 1880
Marriage Place: Eton,Buckingham,England
Spouse: Frederick George Holdermers

Name: Frederick G. Holderness
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Jane Holderness
Gender: Male
Where born: Eton, Buckinghamshire, England
Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 5 Cleveland Ter Clive Rd
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Gardener*******************************
Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Norwood
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 629
Folio: 39
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick G. Holderness 32
Jane Holderness 32
William J. Holderness 5
Lizzie J.F. Holderness


HOLDERNESS, LIZZIE JENNIE FANNY RATTLEY
GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 582

Ok
I do have a marriage certificate somewhere in a box for Elise Mary Holderness marrying Charles Hammond, and was always said in the family that brother & sister ended up marrying brother and sister.

Tell me ive gone wrong somewhere...... :-(

Elsie's brother never married

1939
Name: Percy E Holderness
Gender: Male
Marital status: Single
Birth Date: 30 Dec 1882
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 19 Ewhurst Road
Residence Place: Lewisham, London, England
Occupation: Telephone Clerk
Schedule Number: 173
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: AOUR
Registration district: 3/45 C
Household Members:
Name
Percy E Holderness
Fanny J Smith

Elsie Mary Holderness was not the sister of the man who married Alice Maud Hammond. 'Your' Percy was actually registered as Edward Percy - look at the birth info I posted - and was 5 years younger than Elsie's brother

HOLDERNESS, ELSIE MARY COOPER
GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in ST GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01A Page 431

Robert E Holderness Head Married Male 43 1848 Railway Station Inspector Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Hannah Holderness Wife Married Female 40 1851 - Portsmouth, Hampshire, England
Elsie M Holderness Daughter - Female 10 1881 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Percy E Holderness Son - Male 8 1883 Scholar Herne Hill, Surrey, England
Mabel K Holderness Niece Single Female 18 1873 Dressmaker Burgess Hill, Sussex, England

I've got my Percy Edward Holderness as being born 1883 Lambeth cert no 1d 554 1st Qtr

HOLDERNESS, BENJAMIN CECIL STEVENS
GRO Reference: 1889 J Quarter in KINGSTON ON THAMES Volume 02A Page 322
HOLDERNESS, EDWARD PERCY STEVENS
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in KINGSTON ON THAMES Volume 02A Page 349
HOLDERNESS, HENRY CHARLES STEVENS
GRO Reference: 1885 S Quarter in KINGSTON ON THAMES Volume 02A Page 337

Marriages Jun 1880 (>99%)
Holderness Frederick George Eton 3a 649
RATLEY Jane Eton 3a 649




First name(s) Benjamin Cecil
Last name Holderness
Birth year 1889
Birth date 21 Feb 1889
Baptism year 1889
Baptism date 31 Mar 1889
Place Malden, St John
Residence Malden
Father's first name(s) Frederick George
Father's occupation Gardener
Mother's first name(s) Jane
County Surrey
Country England


First name(s) BENJAMIN CECIL
Last name HOLDERNESS
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1889
Age 2
Death quarter 1
Death year 1891
District Kingston



First name(s) Edward Percy
Last name Holderness
Baptism year 1888
Baptism date 11 Apr 1888
Place Kingston Hill, St Paul
Residence Rings RD
Father's first name(s) Frederick George
Father's occupation Gardener
Mother's first name(s) Jane
County Surrey
Country England
Archive Surrey History Centre
Archive reference 6083/1/2
Register type Baptisms


First name(s) Ernest John
Last name Holderness
Baptism year 1890
Baptism date 28 Jul 1890
Place New Malden and Coombe, Christ Church
Residence 4 St Johns Cottages
Father's first name(s) Frederick George
Father's occupation Gardener
Mother's first name(s) Jane
County Surrey
Country England
Archive Surrey History Centre
Archive reference 3965/1/1
Register type Baptisms


First name(s) Ernest J
Last name Holderness
Year 1918
Event date 25 Mar 1918
Service number 241039
Regiment East Surrey Regiment
Regiment as transcribed 12 E Surrey
Country Great Britain
Document details Prisoners of the First World War, the International Committee of the Red Cross

Ok interesting?

I have my Percy as born 1883 Lambeth.

Was married to Alice Maude Hammond (this was my great grandmother).....
I know his sister was Elise Mary Holderness as she married my great grandmothers brother Charles Hammond (gets confusing)
Child Kathleen Elise is correct (my nans sister)

I had his father down as Robert Edward Holderness not Frederick George Holderness.... so I think I may have picked a wrong line somewhere... oh dear!!

Thank you for this <3

1891

Name: Percy Holderness
Gender: Male
Age: 3
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1888
Father: Frederick G Holderness
Mother: Jane Holderness
Birth Place: Kingston, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Kingston
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Residence Place: New Malden, Kingston, Surrey, England
Registration district: Kingston
Sub registration district: Kingston
ED, Institution or Vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 609
Folio: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick G Holderness 42
Jane Holderness 42
Elizabeth Holderness 10
Charles Holderness 5
Percy Holderness 3
John Holderness 10/12



Name: Henry Charles Holderness
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 29
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1886
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1915
Marriage Place: St Andrew, Streatham, Wandsworth, England
Father: Frederick George Holderness
Spouse: Catherine Alice Lipscomb
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: Percy Edward Holderness
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1888
Marriage Date: 16 Nov 1912
Marriage Place: Harlington, Hillingdon, England
Father: Frederick George Holderness*****************************************
Spouse: Alice Maud Hammond

Have you found any more info about them in the past 9 years?

What are you looking for now?

Just for INFO

Name: Percy Edward Holderness
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1888
Enlistment Age: 26
Marriage Place: Parish ??
Document Year: 1914
Residence Place: 51 Grant Road, Wealdstone Harrow
Regimental Number: 6648
Regiment Name: King's Royal Rifle Corps, Service Battalion
Number of Images: 26
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Percy Edward Holderness Self (Head)
Alice Maud Hammond Spouse
Kathleen Elsie Holderness Child

Wow 2011 was the last time I posted about this family.
I've gone back into my research and I don't know why but I have some sort of obsession with trying to find out anything about this side of the family.

Thank you for your help

Sam

Samantha


the WW1 records are on ancestry.co.uk


but you do have to be aware that only about 30% of the WW1 records survived WW2 ........... they were moved to a building in London for safe keeping at the outbreak of the war, and a bomb fell on that building


Of the 30% that did survive, most are damaged in some way or other.

It looks from what Lindsey found that you are one of the lucky ones!


The Medal rolls do seem to have survived in their entirety


If you do not have a sub to ancestry.co.uk, may I suggest that you take out a 14 day free trial ..................... you have to provide a credit card number, and they seem to use it right at midnight on the 14th day! So, if you decide not to continue, make sure you decide by about day 10 and let them know at that point. Don't leave it to the last day!

Also ................ take out the trial when you have time to really use it, because you will find all kinds of things to look at!




sylvia

I cant get to these on the internet can i?
Will i have to apply for these

have you got his record ?
British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about Percy Edward Holderness
Name: Percy Edward Holderness
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Age at enlistment: 26
Residence: 51 Grant Road, Wealdstone Harrow
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 6648
Regiment Name: (S) Btn KRR
Number of images: 26

As with anything when you start researching something lke this there is always a member of family that wants to know why you have to rake up the past, which means theres something to hide, i have come across many dark & deep secerts along the way, and yes i am having fun finding things out, i just dont know anything about this side of the family and wanted to know more.

What did you want to find out when you started looking?
No, you are not being ungrateful. I hope you are having fun.

Percy's sister Elsie married percy's wives brother if that makes sense to you

Sam

Maybe im being a bit ungreatful to have gather as much information as i have then.