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Okay, so that's your William Sr in 1871, with the victualler uncle Gilby?

How about 1881 and 1891?

Have you found any of them in 1891? I sure can't. Anybody else? ;)

Could this be Eliza Jane in 1891?

Name: Elizabeth Rivers
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Mile End, Lincolnshire, England -- it says London, not Lincolnshire

Civil parish: St George in The East

Annie M Rivers 33 - laundress
Henrietta Rivers 4
Elizabeth Rivers 23 - laundress
Athos Goodwin Rivers 25
Albert Taunton 7


Eliza Jane's household in 1871: (not 1841, I mistyped)

George J Rivers 34
Mary A Rivers 30
Geo Williams 10
? Annie A Rivers 8
Emily H Rivers 7
Clara A Rivers 5
Agnes T Rivers 3
Eliza J Rivers 2
Rose Rivers 11 Months
- no brother Amos Goodwin


It's weak but it's the best I've come up with! ;)

Is there an address or addresses for Eliza Jane and William on their marriage certificate?

I'd still like to know where the name for Eliza Jane Rivers came from?

Suzanne

Births Mar 1890
Rivers James Herbert Islington 1b 284

I don't see this one in 1891 or a death up to 1901.


The James Rivers in Hammersmith in 1891 was registered in Fulham in Q1 1889.


I might suspect that William was born to Eliza before her marriage and was called William after that if his stepfather fully "adopted" him, possibly.

"I'd still like to know where the name for Eliza Jane Rivers came from?"

Maybe family reports - Julia?

Marriages Jun 1891
Back Alfred Herbert E St. Olave. 1d 411
> Pearce William St. Olave 1d 411
Reggler Minnie Gertrude St. Olave 1d 411
> Rivers Eliza Jane St. Olave 1d 411

The Eliza J in 1901 matches on all points with the Rivers I found in 1871 and 1881 - date and place of birth, father's name on the marriage record.

Julia, do you have the 1911 census, and does it say how long married?

William Sr in 1911? (born in Poplar)

INSTITUTION PEARCE WILLIAM 1848 63 Camberwell London

William Jr in 1911? (born in Islington)

PEARCE WILLIAM 1890 21 Lambeth London

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William looks like 15 neptune Street..... Eliza 3 Ad???

I posted that marriage at the start of the thread JC

jax

Sorry..I did read it all but who says that Eliza Jane Rivers is the mother of your William Pearce?

Suzanne

I know, jax -- I was just trying to answer the query. ;)

It seems to be the only available marriage for the couple in the 1901 census ... and as I said, the Eliza J Pearce in 1901 matches the Eliza J Rivers in earlier censuses.


Name: William Pearce
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Year of Registration: 1915
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 67
District: Camberwell
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 961

1911 census - household transcription
Person: PEARCE, William George
Address: 68 Borough Road Southwark


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PEARCE, William George Head Married
33 years M 54 1857 Lic Victualler London Clapham VIEW
HOUNTON, Lily May Servant Single F 24 1887 Barmaid London Islington VIEW
BETTS, James Martin Servant Single M 21 1890 Barman Norfolk Norwich VIEW
ANGUS, George Alfred Servant Single M 24 1887 Potman London Peckham VIEW
MARTIN, William Servant Single M 32 1879 Barman London Spalding VIEW
BARHAM, Lucy Monica Servant Single F 35 1876 Cook Domestic London New Cross VIEW
CRONAN, May Servant Single F 18 1893 Housemaid Domestic London Poplar VIEW

Looked promising but the only son I can see him having was an Edwin in 1891

How about the one I posted in the institution in 1911, born in the right year and right place? Anything for occupation or marital status, e.g.?

Married.....Labourer.....born Poplar

Camberwell Workhouse and Casual wards


jax

:-)

Is that a reply to what has been found Julia

jax

I keep wondering (and I kept asking) whether Julia had found either William Sr or Eliza J in 1891 ...


They're a puzzle, so I've poked around some more, and the best I can come up with is that William Sr is this one in 1911:

INSTITUTION PEARCE WILLIAM 1848 63 Camberwell London
married, labourer, born Poplar

In 1901, our William Sr was born in Poplar 1848 and a constable (dock).

And this is the best match I can find in 1891:

Name: William Pearce
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Inmate
Where born: Stepney, London, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: Infirmary of the Hamlet of Mile End Old Town

Occupation: dock labourer
Condition as to marriage: married


Of Eliza J and William Jr, no sign in 1891.

But this appears to be William Jr in 1911:

PEARCE WILLIAM 1890 21 Lambeth London (born in Islington)


Some response would really be nice, Julia -- as to whether you have any other information re 1891, or different information after that.

nnn