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JOHN THOMASNwhats the term used for mary please

HB40

It's a slang term for a man's appendage.

Mary

OMG....i think i might just faint!!! lol xxx

HB40

There is only 1 Susan Louisa Shirley birth.......the marriage to William Thomas and the Susan L on the 1911 census are the same person.

Mary

yeah i get it mary sorry lmfao

That's okay HB40, it's not used so much nowadays but it used to be called that all the time until not too many years ago. lol

Mary

No need to be sorry HB..............It was an enjoyable, yet frustating thread!!! xxx

ok hun thanks for looking i no its a pain .....i appreciate it

Oh my, quelle thread.

"SUSAN LOUISA = JOHN THOMAS
SUSAN LOUISE = WILLIAM THOMAS"

The problem here is that there is no such thing as Susan Louisa Shirley + John Thomas York.

And there's no such person otherwise as Susan LouisE Shirley.

Hanging one's hat on the difference between Louisa and Louise is very risky.

Especially because in the years after 1900, I've seen how many women "updated" their names. One grandmother on this board had married as "Kathleen Marian". I found she was born as "Kate Mary". ;) My grandmother was known for decades in Canada as "Lilian". She told us when she was in her 80s that her real name was Lily. Her husband thought that was "common".

Maybe "Louise" was more modern than "Louisa". It could also be a mere clerical error for the marriage -- the registrar wrote it down wrong, it got copied wrong ...

HB40, you are not going to get any farthe runless you get the William Thomas York + Susan Louise Shirley marriage certificate and the Susan Louisa Shirley birth certificate.

If they don't match, we have nothing but an amazing coincidence.

If they do, you will have a little mystery about John/William's name.

It would be interesting to see what name is on his children's birth certificates.

It just isn't so hard to believe that he called himself by a name other than his "real" name. It might have just been personal preference, it might have been something more complicated. (My great-grandfather kept his given names but changed his surname because he had deserted instead of getting sent to India. My grandfather kept his surname but changed his given names because he was kicked out of the military at age 16 and wanted to join up again.) People's names varied for all sorts of reasons.

The people who have been answering you know what they're talking about! I'd take their advice if I were you.

i am janey honest but something dosent feel right and the grave has his name as john thomas york . i do apprieciate the help given and advice believe me have been on here for not along period im just a learner in ur terms in time i will learn and be taught by the best AKA PH .

AND ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE HELPED ME
THANK YOU.

Meant to say, HB40 -- with the correct name on the gravestone and death record -- if the family knew his "real" name was John even though he called himself William, they would have registered his death that way and put it on his gravestone, probably.

yeah ur probably right janey . im just abit tired and cant sit on here for hours on end after my hubby has gone to bed else it will be divorce courts for me lol

All manner of name changes occur. So my ancester who was born John Joseph died and was buried as Joseph Alfred, and known as Alf all his life.

My great aunt Margaret Ann was always known as Annie, and the headstone on her grave has the name Annie.

So there we have then HB. I am not Doo-Lally after all!! lol

Susan's father and siblings Jane and Harry......

1911 census - household transcription
Person: SHIRLEY, William
Address: Pitsford Northampton

SHIRLEY, William Head Widower M 64 1847 Labourer Farm Weedon Northants VIEW
SHIRLEY, Jane Daughter Single F 34 1877 House Keeper Weedon Northants VIEW
SHIRLEY, Harry Son Single M 30 1881 Labourer Farm Hazelbeech Northants VIEW
BROWN, Harry Boarder Single M 30 1881 Traction Engine Driver Pitsford Northants VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
8506 Reference:
RG14PN8506 RG78PN440 RD165 SD2 ED12 SN72

Registration District:
Brixworth Sub District:
East Brixworth Enumeration District:
12 Parish:
Pitsford

Address:
Pitsford Northampton County:
Northamptonshire
(William states- married 21 years, 8 children born, 6 living, 2 had died.)



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about William Shirley
Name: William Shirley
Year of Registration: 1847
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Daventry
County: Northamptonshire
Volume: 15
Page: 237

Marriages Mar 1873 (>99%)
MASON Ellen Daventry 3b 154
Shirley William Daventry 3b 154

Births Mar 1849 (>99%)
MASON Ellen Daventry 15 269


Deaths Dec 1894 (>99%)
Shirley Ellen Bunting Age 46 Brixworth 3b 71

Deaths Mar 1917 (>99%)
Shirley William Age 69 Brixworth 3b 172


1901 England Census
about Susan Shirley
Name: Susan Shirley
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Shirley
Gender: Female
Where born: Holcot, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Pitsford
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Pitsford
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Registration district: Brixworth
Sub-registration district: East Brixworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 54
Household Members:
Name Age
William Shirley 52
Jane Shirley 22
Frank Shirley 17
Susan Shirley 13


1891 England Census
about Susan Louisa Shirley
Name: Susan Louisa Shirley
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William Shirley
Mother's Name: Ellen Bunting Shirley
Gender: Female
Where born: Holcot, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Pitsford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Pitsford
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Registration district: Brixworth
Sub-registration district: Brixworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Shirley 43
Ellen Bunting Shirley 42
John William Shirley 15
Jane Elizabeth Shirley 12
Harry Shirley 9
Frank William Shirley 7
Susan Louisa Shirley 3
Alice Shirley 1 Week


Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William SHIRLEY Head M Male 33 Weedon Beck, Northampton, England Ag Lab
Ellen SHIRLEY Wife M Female 32 Weedon Beck, Northampton, England
Kate SHIRLEY Daur U Female 7 Weedon Beck, Northampton, England
John SHIRLEY Son Male 5 Weedon Beck, Northampton, England
Jane E. SHIRLEY Daur Female 2 Weedon Beck, Northampton, England

Source Information:
Dwelling Porters Lodge
Census Place Naseby, Northampton, England

Willam with his parents and sibling, before he married Ellen Mason.........


1871 England Census
about William Shirley
Name: William Shirley
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Shirley
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Shirley
Gender: Male
Where born: Weedon, Northamptonshire, England
Civil parish: Weedon
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough
Town: Weedon
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Registration district: Daventry
Sub-registration district: Weedon
Household Members:
Name Age
William Shirley 60 (Farm Labourer) Weedon Northamptonshire
Elizabeth Shirley 55 Harleston Northamptonshire
William Shirley 23 Weedon
John Shirley 21 Weedon
George Shirley 15 Weedon


1861 England Census
about William Shirley
Name: William Shirley
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Shirley
Gender: Male
Where born: Weedon, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Weedon Beck
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Registration district: Daventry
Sub-registration district: Weedon
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 318
Household Members:
Name Age
William Shirley 50
(Elizabeth Shirley 46) <<<
Sarah Shirley 19
Elizabeth Shirley 16
William Shirley 14
John Shirley 12
Susan Shirley 8
George Shirley 5
(Wife Elizabeth does not appear on the census........but she is on the image at the bottom of the previous page........so i have included her)



1851 England Census
about William Shirley
Name: William Shirley
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Shirley
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Shirley
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Co Northton, Weedon Bk

Civil parish: Weedon Beck
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Registration district: Daventry
Sub-registration district: Weedon
ED, institution, or vessel: 4a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Household Members:
Name Age
William Shirley 41
Elizabeth Shirley 35
Jane Shirley 16
Chathan Shirley 13
Sarah Shirley 8
Elizabeth Shirley 5
William Shirley 3
John Shirley 1

Williams parents in 1881....


Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
William SHIRLEY Head M Male 71 Weedon, Northampton, England Ag Lab
Elizabeth SHIRLEY Wife M Female 66 Weedon, Northampton, England

Source Information:
Dwelling The Bank
Census Place Weedon Beck, Northampton, England

Deaths Mar 1882 (>99%)
Shirley William 72 Daventry 3b 73


1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Shirley
Name: Elizabeth Shirley
Age: 77
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Harlestone, Northamptonshire, England

Civil parish: Weedon Beck
Ecclesiastical parish: Weedon
Town: Weedon
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Registration district: Daventry
Sub-registration district: Weedon
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Shirley 77 (Widow)
Maria Irons 12 Grandaughter
Sarah A Irons 10 Grandaughter


Deaths Dec 1892 (>99%)
Shirley Elizabeth 79 Daventry 3b 63

Blimey, Holly, give us a break! You are like a woman possessed!

Gotta read all that, sterling work.

Meg

So, Happy Bunney, are you getting the marriage cert or not? Not a lot we can do without it.

Have you contacted the graveyard to see who initiated the burials? Might be an idea, to prove a relative.

Meg

Evening Madmeg...........If you happen to find a spelling mistake, kindly let me know!! lol xxx