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Second marriage?:
Marriages Dec 1916
Baker James F Thomas St Germans 5c 71
Thomas Jeanette M Baker St.Germans 5c 71

So do you know about his first marriage?
Thanks

his (james frederick baker/norton) 1st marriage was to amy elizabeth clemson, in 1907 she died 1908

i take it we`re now talking about james f.? sometimes he used norton other times baker-really confusing but he used baker on his second marriage in 1916 to my gran at saltash, cornwall

Rosalie, do you mean descended from James F b1879?

If so, do you know who he married and when?

yes i was aware of this norton marriage-nortons and also found them lastly on the 1891 census

Does James show as Norton or Baker on his marriage certificate?
And is he married by 1911?
Thanks

i have searched for the children under this marriage under both surnames-still got nowhere

descended from james who would have been my gt grandad

Here's the Norton's in 1881:

NORTON, Charles E Head Married M 28 1853 Painter Lambeth Surrey
NORTON, Sarah A Wife Married F 25 1856 London E.C. Middlesex
NORTON, Charles J Son Single M 4 1877 Lambeth Surrey
NORTON, James F Son Single M 2 1879 Lambeth Surrey
NORTON, Thomas A Son Single M 0 1881 Lambeth Surrey

Registration District: Lambeth Sub District: Lambeth Church Second Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish: Lambeth Municipal Borough:

Address: 46, Auckland St Dairy, Lambeth County: Surrey

Name: James Frederick Norton
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1878
Baptism Date: 28 Aug 1878
Father's Name: Charles Edward Norton
Mother's Name: Sarah Anne Norton
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St Mary the Less
Borough: Lambeth

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Name: Thomas Allen Norton
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1880
Baptism Date: 11 Aug 1880
Father's Name: Charles Edward Norton
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Norton
Parish or Poor Law Union: Lambeth St Mary the Less
Borough: Lambeth

Descendent of which one, so we know who is alive in 1901 and 1911?
Thanks

hi and thanks. to reply to you first patchem, no i dont know anything for definate-and yes i am a descendent.
marieceleste yes james was a hawker/costamonger? sarahs maide name was oborne-she ws born in salisbury, wiltshire

Seeing as they didn't marry until 1889 the children born before then are from Sarah Ann's first marriage and probably registered under the name of Norton. It's likely that in the 1891 they were on the census under James' surname but under their own in later years.

Just for information:
1891 England Census
James Baker
Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Baker Gender: Male Where born: Lambeth, London, England
Civil parish: Battersea Ecclesiastical parish: St George Town: Battersea County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Wandsworth Sub-registration district: East Battersea ED, institution, or vessel: 31

James Baker 43
Sarah Baker 34 Wilton Salisbury
James Baker 13
Thomas Baker 11
Willie Baker 9
Jessie Baker 6
Catherine Baker 1

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 426; Folio 18; Page 29; GSU roll: 6095536.

Name: James Baker Reeves (General Dealer)
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Spouse Name: Sarah Ann Norton (Widow)
Spouse Age: 33
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Nov 1889
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Walworth
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: John Baker Reeves


1891 (for reference)

BAKER, James Head Married M 43 1848 Castermonger
Lambeth
London VIEW
BAKER, Sarah Wife Married F 34 1857
Salisbury Wilton
BAKER, James Son M 13 1878 Scholar
Lambeth
London
BAKER, Thomas Son M 11 1880 Scholar
Lambeth
London
BAKER, Willie Son M 9 1882 Scholar
Lambeth
London
BAKER, Jessie Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Lambeth
London
BAKER, Catherine Daughter F 1 1890
Lambeth
London

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
426 Folio:
18 Page:
29

Registration District:
Wandsworth Sub District:
East Battersea Enumeration District:
31 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St George

Civil Parish:
Battersea Municipal Borough:
Address:
10, Arden Street, Battersea County:
London

Chris :)

Marriage record, for info:


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: James Baker Reeves (bachelor), General Dealer of 26 East Ct
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Spouse Name: Sarah Ann Norton (widow) of 22 East Ct
Spouse Age: 33
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Nov 1889
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Walworth
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark

Sarah Ann's father is named as Henry John Oborne. Witnesses were Fanny and George Bailey.
Father Name: John Baker Reeves (Deceased)

I cannot see a birth for Thomas Alan, have you got any of the certificates?
Thanks

Hello Rosalie, what was James' occupation on the marriage record, or on any of the census you have found?

Where and when did he marry? - all these little details may help us find them. For example, if we know Sarah Ann's maiden name we can look to see if any of the children were with her family.

Do you know if they were definitely in this country in 1911 or 1901?
Are you just trying to track them, or are you descended from one of them?
Thanks