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Hi,

Name: Henry John Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1894
Baptism Date: 1 Jul 1894
Father's name: Henry James Smith >> warehouse man
Mother's name: Eliza Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Haggerston St Chad
Borough: Hackney

Address; 32 Crescent Place


This is most likely the Henry from the 1901;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1893 (>99%)
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Smith Henry John Marylebone 1a 620


And his sister;

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1895 (>99%)
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Smith Emma Maud Marylebone 1a 525



Possibly her marriage;

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Emma Maud Smith Name: Emma Maud Smith
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Spouse Name: Arthur Edward Smith
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 28 Sep 1919
Parish: St Augustine, Paddington
County: London
Borough: Westminster
Father Name: Henry Smith >> Silver smith
Spouse Father Name: Walter Smith >> Night watch man

Her address 97 Walterton Road.

Witnesses; Walter Smith and Albert Henry Loftin


Haven't found anything else on Henry Jnr.

Dee x

Hi,
I don't know about that Walter Ede Smith.
But I have ben looking into the Henry W H Smith (Silversith) living with Eliza, Emma and Henry in 1901.
I have found a baptism record for a Henry John Smith on ancestry.co.uk, he has parents Henry James Smith and Eliza Smith, I think he could be related. Could someone please take a look because I'm afraid I'm not a member.

Many Thanks,
Gardener47

Oh you made me jump. I did not see you there. I was thinking om my feet and see you have had similar thoughts

But Walter senior and Agnes are a bit young to beyour guys parents

1891 England Census
about Walter E Smith Name: Walter E Smith
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's name: Walter E E Smith
Mother's name: Agnes Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England
Agnes Smith 30
Walter E Smith 11
William A Smith 8


Your guy was old enough to have left home and we have another possible sibling

1891 census

Address: 74, Wynford Road, Islington, London

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

SMITH, Walter E E Head Married M 34 1857 Silver Polisher London
SMITH, Agnes Wife Married F 33 1858 London
SMITH, Walter E Son M 11 1880 Scholar London
SMITH, William A Son M 8 1883 Scholar London

1901 census

Address: Vine Cottage, Prout Road, Hackney

same address as on Walter Juniors marriage cert


Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

SMITH, Walter E Head Married M 45 1856 Silversmith St Andrews Holborn London
SMITH, Agnes Wife Married F 39 1862 City London
SMITH, William Son Single M 17 1884 Barman Islington London
HARTLEY, Nellie Servant Single F 19 1882 General Serv Domestic Islington London

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Walter Ede Smith Name: Walter Ede Smith
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Spouse Name: Florence Amelia Richardson
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 15 Apr 1900
Parish: St James the Great, Hackney
County: London
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Walter Epton Ede Smith
Spouse Father Name: Walter Richardson

So this guy's father was alive april 1900

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Walter Ede Smith (brewer)
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Spouse Name: Florence Amelia Richardson (ironer)
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 15 Apr 1900
Parish: St James the Great, Hackney
County: London
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Walter Epton Ede Smith (silversmith)
Spouse Father Name: Walter Richardson (bricklayer)

witnesses Walter Epton Ede Smith and Eliza Annie Mason

address for both Vine Cottage, Prout Road

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Walter Ede Smith Name: Walter Ede Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1880
Baptism Date: 1 Aug 1880
Father's name: Walter Epton Ede Smith -a silversmith
Mother's name: Agnes Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Gray´s Inn Road St Jude
Borough: Camden

16 swinton? street

this is possibly him

Births Sep 1880 (>99%)
Smith Walter Ede Pancras 1b 72


I want to see if he might take us to Henry

A possible link here

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Walter Ecte Smith Name: Walter Ecte Smith
Record Type: Birth
Estimated Birth Date: 11 Jul 1880
Father's name: Walter Ecte Epton Smith A silversmith
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
Borough: Camden
County: Middlesex

There is an address but it is crossed out 85 Winford road Islington added over it. Image difficult to read but a posible sibling

It would be helpful if you copy out the exact wording on the birth cert please.

I wonder if adoption or a previous marriage are involved????

oh :( I will have to keep looking and maybe order the birth certificate.

I have been looking but there are so man possibilities for his birth!!!

I've had a look and I cannot see a baptism that tallies with the father being a silversmith, sorry

Hi MarieCeleste

I don't know Henry's mother's name. I was interested in whether their is a baptism record in (or around) Pancras.
All I know is that his father was Walter Smith a silversmith. (This is confirmed on Henry's marriage certificate, in 1901 Walter is deceased.)

I have a feeling his mother is called Alice because Henry's first daughter was called Eva Alice. (His wife's mother was known as Eva.)

Closest found:

Some slight possibles - what was his mother's name?

Hi Maddie.
Sorry No, I am looking for a Henry James born in Pancras 1872. His father was Walter Smith (Silversmith).

do you mean this one
View Record Henry Charles Smith 11 Nov 1872 James David Smith,
Sarah Smith St Pancras Old St Pancras Camden

I decided to look through the birth records again and I put in a search for:

Henry James Smith
1872 +/- 1
London

I have found a birth in Pancras A-M-J 1872. I think this could be his birth. Just before I order the birth certificate I was wondering if there are any corresponding baptism records on ancestry.co.uk?? I have been looking but I cannot get very far because I am not a member.

I was also looking at what his mother could possibly be called. I noticed that his first born daughter was called Eva Alice. His mother-in-law went by the name Eva and I know that people name their first born child after the couples' mothers or fathers (depending on whether they have a boy or girl). So could his mother be called Alice ?

Many Thanks