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thank you for letting us know the progress. Brick walls often get smaller as you get more experience in where to look but do come back with any problems. Your Shepherd family did not make it easy for you

good hunting

MadBull and LancashireAnn, Just thought I'd let you know that at long last have sorted out the 2 spouses of Walter Shepherd and some of their ancestors which I wouldn't have been able to do without your help ,advice and suggestions. Have joined Ancestry (V good) and sent for marriage certificates which helped me to make progress. Have learned alot more so hopefully will not cause such confusion again and hope I can come back to you again if I hit another brick wall- hopefully not as high and thick as the last one!!! thanks so much for your kind patience and help. Chris Shepherd-ps can you see my tree?

anastasia
it was also suggested that for some reason Jack and George had not been registered at birth and they were registered in 1940 so that their mother could produce a birth certificate to claim their ration books

he x next to the handwritten entry is just a sign to show where the entry should appear on the index. there will be a matching x or * by the line where it should have been inserted (ie by James Shepherd) and where it would have been inserted when the batch was transcribed onto freebmd

anastasia, me again further down page three is a thread which shows my dad being registerd at the same time as george unusual I know but that looks like what happened. chris

anastasia, forgot to tell you have puchased marriage cert. for \sarah Chapman and Walter \shepher should arrive beginning of week. The James Shepherd of Salford I don,t understand. Dad's brother James (Jim)was born before my dad (1924) and before George so must have been born c1920. He could have been born woodhouse ro dinnington but NOT salford.. at the beginnining (page3 I think) shows children being born before walter and sarah's marriage -worksop 1927- hence the shepherd chapman tansell isuppose as DS arh was nee Tanswell married first to Charles Chapman c1914- then Walter Shepherd 1927. This is complicated this shepherd family chris

This looks like the parents of James Shepherd.... Salford

Marriages Jun 1921 (>99%)
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Shepherd James Southern Salford 8d 100
Southern Mary Shepherd Salford 8d 100

Anastasia, I don't understand the above as Jack Shepherd is my dad and has always (according to my mum) been Jack and never John.He always lived in Dinnington (Rother Valley then kiveton Park now Sheffield) His mum Sarah Elizabeth was nee TaNswell (not M) 1st married Charles Chapman then my grandad, Walter Shepherd. Can I get access to this bmd entry myself to have alook? regards chris shepherd

This might be interesting

on FreeBMD there is an entry

Births Sep 1924 (>99%)
Shepherd Jack Tamswell Rother V. 9c see D40

when you look at the original listing it is hand written on the bottom with an 'X' next to it and if you look up the list there is this entry

Shepherd James Southern Salford 8d 210

and this is the entry on FreeBMD

Births Sep 1924 (>99%)
Shepherd James Southern Salford 8d 210

It is possibly a mistake or James Shepherd became Jack Shepherd either through marriage of mother and/or adoption and change of name you may need to purchase both certificates to find out.

It might be very valuable to your research if you also purchased both the marriage certificates for Sarah Elizabeth Tanswell to get all the details.

will do alncashireAnn. I,m off now to try to find all 3 death records. Thankyou too for staying with me all the way through this complicated family chris

well done - you sound as though you are now getting as hooked on this lark as the rest of us

Some-one may correct me but as far as I am aware a tree on ancestry should be available after you have finished your trial period.

I admit I have not tried it as I keep my tree on my own PC and on GR as well. I am ever hopeful of finding a GR hot match!

Do let us know when that certificate arrives - it can take a little while depending on how busy they are

sure will madBull or they'll charge £85

Good for you, Christine, sounds like you're really hooked now. Soon you'll be as crazy as the rest of us.

Don't forget to cancel your Ancestry when the 2 weeks are up or they'll start charging you the full amount.

lancashieAnn thanks for the info. re Ancestry Have subscribed for a 2 week free trial and have found out today that my local library does indeed have free access to it. So if I just use it @ home for 2 weeks will I be able to keep building on a tree that I will have started during this 2 wk period? Now hold your breath and you too madBull. I HAVE FOUND WALTER SHEPHERD'S 1st WIFE ALL BY MYSELF!!!!! well sort of. I spoke to a cousin weeks ago who insisted she only had her father's death certif. SO, because she was an only child I thought it most likely that she did have birth cert. also. So I plucked up courage to phone her again and at last she relented and said she'd go through the papers in her attic. 2 hours later she had it and gave me the 1st wife's name - Edith Camden from Woodhouse, Sheffield. Then thanks to Ancestry last night I found for 99% sure walter's parents and siblings and possibly ediths. I did send off for marriage cert. for walter and sarah,s marriage as you kindly gave me the info needed (not arrived yet) and so can send off for ediths & walters- Worksop 1914. Now I need to find out all 3's death dates. Hvae been to local cemetry today but the stones of walter and sarah have long gone.Couldn,t find any records on ancestry last night but am going to try again tonight. Thankyou both for sticking with me all the very best ( and I don't suppose this will be the last you hear from me - Chris Shepherd

glad you managed to order that marriage certificate OK.

If you do not want to pay for ancestry, ancestry.com is free to use in many county libraries and records offices. If you live fairly close to one it is worth a try. Even the smallest of Lancs libraries which have a computer link allow access if you are a library member as the county pays for a commercial subscription.

thanks jax I think i'mgoing to try ancestry but have just ordrered my 1st marriage certificate to get me going on my shepherd line

Christine I think you will find the majority of people that help on here use other sites mainly ancesty or Find my past.
I tried GR when I first joined but found they were too difficult to use in my opinion

jax

mmmmmmmmmmm! someone else I have had cotact with in the early days of my genealogy experience uses that site to build up her tree. It is more expensive than GR but I do believe they do a free 2week trial. I might give it a go cos I,m getin nowhere now in gr records.I'll not pester you anymore tonight but will be in touch if/when I find something exciting on either Shepherds or Riests chris

I use Ancestry for the census info.

no MadBull just another slip of my old fingers on the keyboard, it was Jarvis.Do you use the gr census info or do you use another site? I have also looked for hours on the later day sts. site( I,m not usually this thick I think the Shepherd ,Chapman .Tanswell and Riest thing is playing with my head. thanks for your patience - and intelligence chris

Christine, you said that Charles' father was James when actually it's Jarvis on all of the censuses. Perhaps you were typing in James for father's name and that's why you couldn't find him.

GRO is general Register Office and Lancashire Ann has posted the address.