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yes id obviously been given the wrong date for Williams birth and so i can only assume that it may be the one in whitechapel... as they were from bethnal green..but not sure. is there any way that i,ll be able to find mary anns birth certificate which will give me her mothers name and fathers for certain?thank you so very much for all your help.

You need to find Mary Ann on 1861 and 1871 census to hopefully find her parents.

Deceased by 1899, so the list of deaths from 1856 to 1899 are :

Deaths Dec 1870
Ewin William -45 - Chelmsford 4a 120

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Deaths Sep 1871
Ewin William -76- Linton 3b 2_9

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Deaths Dec 1873
Ewin William Thomas - 37 - Whitechapel 1c 284

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Deaths Jun 1874
EWIN William Thomas - 58 -St. Geo. East 1c 261

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Deaths Jun 1877
EWIN WILLIAM- 67 - Risbridge 4a 291

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Deaths Sep 1880
EWIN William- 62 - E. Ward 10b 411

So the Mary Ann born c1885 is irrelevant, and the Mary Ann born 1856 can't be the daughter of William born 1867.

So we are looking for another William altogether.

im sorry to have confused you the name mary ann runs through the family

this mary ann was born in 1856

So the marriage of 1899.

So the Mary Ann born 1885/86 would be 14.
Is that what age it gives on the cert ?

the marriage between Mary ann Harris and Thomas Talbot

This looks like Mary Ann short


Births Jun 1860
SHORT Mary Ann - Marylebone 1a 405


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MARY ANN SHORT
Event(s):
Birth: 20 MAY 1860

Christening: 21 OCT 1860 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England
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Parents:
Father: MATTHEW SHORT
Mother: MARY ANN


Which marriage cert has William Ewin as father ?

ok thanks Mike at least thats something definate

The Mary Ann Short who married Thomas Harris was born c1860 so the William Ewin born 1867 couldn't be her father.

sorry my sums are wrong but i know its them as they were the 3 sons he had before they got married

yes its them i hadnt seen the 1911 census but they were married in 1889 confirming married 12 years is there any was i can get details of her birth certificate?which would then tell me her mothers name and maybe her father how would i get this?

Does this have any relevance whatsoever?

1911

TALBOT, Thomas Head Married
12 years M 56 1855 Cabinet Maker Stepney London VIEW
TALBOT, Mary Ann Wife Married
12 years F 55 1856 London Bethnal Green VIEW
TALBOT, Samuel Son Single M 21 1890 Feather Dyer London Bethnal Green VIEW
TALBOT, James Son Single M 19 1892 Cabinet Maker London Bethnal Green VIEW
TALBOT, Benjamin Son Single M 16 1895 Butcher London Bethnal Green VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
1405 Reference:
RG14PN1405 RG78PN49 RD17 SD1 ED24 SN253

Registration District:
Bethnal Green Sub District:
Bethnal Green North East Enumeration District:
24 Parish:
Bethnal Green

Address:
23 Bonwell St Bethnal Green County:
London

thanks Jan i think i have expected names to be accurate much appreciate your help and advice

If Mary Ann was born in 1855/6 and married thomas harris 1880 she would have been 25 and she later married a Thomas short he died after having 3 children and on the next marriage certificate it stated her as mary ann Harris but its showing William Ewin as her father (deceased)

Lynda, a word of advice - don't get too caught up with exact names. Old writing can be difficult to read and names often get trnscribed incorrectly. Also, the person who wrote the entry put what he heard which could be quite different to what was said.

My favourite example is smiths from my family mis-transcribed as Waitt!! It says smith on the image but hard to read unless you already know what it says.

Jan

the name on the certificate was definately Ewin not Gwin thank you

you can see why i needed help i am totally useless with all this i do appreciate it.

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1871 England Census
William F Gwin
Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation: Son Father's Name: James Gwin Mother's Name: Maria Gwin Gender: Male Where born: London, England Civil parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Household schedule number: 59

James Gwin 29 Fishporter
Maria Gwin 28
Tobin Gwin 10
John J Gwin 8
James Gwin 6
William F Gwin 4
Catherine E Gwin 2
Frederic G Gwin 1
Frederic T Sadler 24

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 487; Folio: 6; Page: 10; GSU roll: 823373.

Added:
The writing on the census could be Ewin.
However, it is probably Gwin, Has he been found in 1871 under any name?
Thanks