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could well be ...... but that is the name on the birth registration, so Catherine Donna Thompson is the name that Terence will have to ask for.

"Catherine Donnis Thompson" in 1871 -- it definitely looks like Dennis there, for what that's worth. ;)

Was Donna a name in the mid-1800s? (On a quick search, there are 3 dozen or so Donnas born 5 yrs either side of 1871.)

Checking the GRO index at Ancestry ... urgh, it's typed, which I think is a transcription of the original handwritten index. So only the certificate will say! I wouldn't be surprised if "Donna" is a mistranscription of Dennis, though.

I don't thnk there is anyhting else we can do until Terence returns



He HAS to buy the birth certificates for all the girls to determine their parentage

He HAS to buy the marriage certificate for George and Elizabeth, to determine whether Elizabeth was a widow at the time of the marriage, nad her maiden name if so


If he desires, he HAS to buy the marriage certificate for William and Elizabeth.



There is no other way of determining the correct names of mothers and fathers!!





sylvia

here's Catherine's registration

it might help to know which was her correct name!!


Births Sep 1861 (>99%)

THOMPSON Catharine Donna Glanford B 7a 605



Buying that certificate would provide her mother's name and maiden name




sylvia

Aargh.

I think some certificates are the only way to sort it all out!

If they traded one Elizabeth Ann Thompson (daughter/sister) for another (daughter-in-law/wife), this could be the former:

Marriages Dec 1867
BAILEY Thomas Sleaford 7a 902
THOMPSON Elizabeth Ann Sleaford 7a 902

but 1871

Thomas Bailey 36
Elizabeth A Bailey 23 born Emmingham and it does say 23
Alfred J Bailey 2
Elizabeth A Bailey 1

???? William's death


Name: William Thompson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Year of Registration: 1875
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 34
District: Glanford Brigg
County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 429



sylvia

1851 Census

Name: Martha Thompson
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Richd Thompson
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Kirton, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Scotter
Town: Scotter
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Gainsborough
Sub-registration district: Owston

Richd Thompson 36 b.ca 1815, Barnaby, Berkshire
Martha Thompson 37
Wm Thompson 10 b.ca 1841, Messingham, Lincolnshire
Eliz Thompson 8 b.ca 1843, Messingham






but William and Elizabeth are shown as Married on the 1871 Census





sylvia

hmmmm



blowed be these people who use the same christinan names!!!!!


1861 Census

Name: Martha Thompson
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Richard Thompson
Gender: Female
Where born: Kirton in Lindsey, Lincolnshire, England

Civil parish: Scotter
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Gainsborough
Sub-registration district: Scotter

Richard Thompson 46 Licensed Hawker in Drapery
Martha Thompson 47
Elizabeth Thompson 18 b.ca 1843, Messingham





In the 1871, Elizabeth was born ca 1843, Scawby ...... and was described as daughter-in-law, which can mean stepdaughter as well as wife of son






sylvia

Well it's nice we have each other. Looking forward to Terence's return. ;)

(It's an odd time of day/night, I didn't post my first one til half an hour after he posted.)

I edited while you were posting probably. ;) (Just like to keep the related info all together.)

Looks like!

you got it!!



while I was just thinking it through, you found the evidence!

so you think that Elizabeth was married previously, and that Elizabeth Ann b. 1868 was the daughter of the first marriage

then that she married George Thompson. and Lilly and Martha were the children of that marriage



OR were Lilly and Martha also the children of the first marriage



and Beatrice was the only child of George and Elizabeth



that would explain the reference to half-sisters




sylvia

searching for Elizabeth A born 1844 +/- 1yr in Scawby

1871 in Scotter, Lincolnshire

Martha Tompson 55
William Tompson 30 son, blacksmith
Elizabeth A Tompson 28 daughter-in-law
Elizabetha Tompson 2 = Elizabeth A granddaughter born Park St, Lincoln

Births Dec 1868
THOMPSON Elizabeth Annie Lincoln 7a 478


Strange coincidences of names etc.

Were the children half-siblings because Elizabeth Ann Douglas was actually married first to a different Thompson??


Yes??

Marriages Dec 1865
? DOUGLAS Elizabeth Ann Glanford B 7a 1311
Gilliatt Thomas Glanford.B. 7a 1311
Kearnes Sarah Glanford B. 7a 1311
? Thompson William Glanford B. 7a 131

Marriages Dec 1880
Altoft James Glanford B. 7a 1277
Hare Elizabeth Glanford Brigg 7a 1277
? Thompson Elizabeth Ann Glanford B 7a 1277
? Thompson George Glanford B 7a 1277

Martha is a servant at Huddersfield Infirmary in 1891

1881 Census

Name: George Thompson
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth A. Thompson
Gender: Male
Where born: Brigg, Lincoln, England

Civil parish: Broughton
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street Address: Scawby Road
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: N D Gardner

Registration district: Glanford Brigg
Sub-registration district: Brigg

George Thompson 46
Elizabeth A. Thompson 37 b.ca 1844, Scawby, Lincolnshire, Dress Maker
Elizabeth A. Thompson 12 b.ca 1869, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, Scholar
Lilly D. Thompson 9 b.ca 1872, Broughton, Lincolnshire, Scholar
Martha Ann Thompson 5 b.ca 1876, Broughton, Scholar





sylvia

Births Dec 1882
Thompson Beatrice Douglas Glanford B. 7a 699

Get the birth certificate, get the mother's name.


DIY ...

1891 in Huddersfield

George Thompson 57 born Brigg, Lincolnshire, c1834
Elizabeth A Thompson 47 born Scawby, Lincolnshire, c1844
Beatrice D Thompson 8
John Heaton 78 boarder

Where are the three other daughters?


1871 in Huddersfield

Benjamin Eastwood 28
Lucy Eastwood 32
Richard Henry Eastwood 8
George William Eastwood 3
George Thompson 36 boarder
Catherine Donnis Thompson 9 born Bingley, Lincolnshire, c1862

Catherine Dennis Thompson b 1862
- Does her birth certificate not give her mother's name? ;)

There's no birth registered of a Catherine Dennis Thompson, actually.

Elizabeth Ann in 1868?, Lily D in 1872? Martha Ann in 1876?
the later Beatrice Douglas b 1882?
- Does this mean you've been unable to find births for them?

His second marriage to Elizabeth Ann Douglas
- I'm getting the feeling none of this happened in England; that marriage didn't ...

Can you reproduce some of the records you're talking about so we don't have to go hunting for them?

A little more info please, really. In the censuses *where* ... etc. ... ?

Cannot find possibly two marriages of George Thompson b1835, Lincolnshire. His first marriage? and only? child seems to be Catherine Dennis Thompson b 1862. (Named after her grandmother Catharine Dennis Green b1788). His second marriage to Elizabeth Ann Douglas produced Elizabeth Ann in 1868?, Lily D in 1872? Martha Ann in 1876? Refered to by the family as "half sisters" to the later Beatrice Douglas b 1882? (In the 1851 census Elizabeth Ann Douglas seems to be the daughter of Andrew Ennis Douglas, born Scotland in 1787, and served on Nelson's ship during the Battle of Trafalgar in 1804, later becoming a surgeon from 1812).

Can anyone help? Thanks in advance.
Terence.