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Maureen

1851

Name: Sarah James
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: John James
Mother's name: Elisabeth James
Gender: Female
Where born: Campsie, Stirlingsh
Parish Number: 475
Civil parish: Campsie
Town: Lennoxtown
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Crosshill St
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 5
Page: 14 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 50
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1851_99
Household Members: Name Age
John James 43
Elisabeth James 40
William James 21
Sarah James 19
Ann J James 17
Frances James 65
Emma James 13
John James 11
Sarah James 9
Elisabeth James 8
Mary James 6
Ellen James 2

Sarah McKay in 1901? Her marriage certifictae will give her parents names and that will confirm if this is the correct family.

Name: Sarah J Mckay
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: Samuel Mckay
Mother's name: Jemima Mckay
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 560B
Registration district: Cathcart Burgh
Civil parish: Cathcart
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 54 Albert Road
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 154
Line: 23
Roll: CSSCT1901_189
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Mckay 38 b. Lennoxtown, Sirlingshire, Coalmasters Book Keeper
Jemima Mckay 36 b. Glasgow
Thomas Mckay 14 b. Glasgow, Hair Manufactwier's Office Boy
Jeanie B Mckay 13 b. Glasgow
Peter R Mckay 10 b. Glasgow
Sarah J Mckay 4 b. Glasgow
Jemima R Mckay 1 Mos b. Glasgow



A birth certificate for one of the children will give the date and place of the parents marriage.


Possible birth for Samuel

SAMUEL MC KAY
Birth: 30 MAY 1861 Campsie, Stirling, Scotland
Parents:
Father: THOMAS MC KAY Family
Mother: SARAH JAMES
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

1891

Name: Samuel McKay
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jemima McKay
Gender: Male
Where born: Campsie, Stirlingsh
Registration Number: 644/3
Registration district: Dennistoun
Civil parish: Glasgow Dennistoun
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 19 Reidvale St
Occupation: Colliery Clerk
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 111
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1891_248
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel McKay 29
Jemima McKay 26
Thomas McKay 4
Jane B McKay 3
Peter R McKay 4 Mos

1881

Name: Samuel McKay
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Thomas McKay
Mother's name: Sarah McKay
Gender: Male
Where born: Campsie, Stirlingshire
Registration Number: 644/1
Registration district: Bridgeton
Civil parish: Glasgow Barony
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 490 Baltic Street
Occupation: Commercial Clerk
ED: 34
Household schedule number: 101
Line: 5
Roll: cssct1881_215
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas McKay 48
Sarah McKay 48
Elizabeth McKay 23
Samuel McKay 19
Catherine McKay 17
Ann Jane McKay 15
Sarah McKay 10

1871

Name: Samuel Mckay
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Thomas Mckay
Mother's name: Sarah Mckay
Gender: Male
Where born: Campsie, Stirling
Registration Number: 644/3
Registration district: Bridgeton
Civil parish: Glasgow Calton
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 17 Dunn St
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 78
Household schedule number: 67
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1871_129
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Mckay 37 b. Campsie, Stirling, Clerk
Sarah Mckay 35 b.Alexandria, Dumbarton
Elizabeth Mckay 14 b. Campsie, Worker in Factory
Isabella Mckay 12 b. Campsie
Samuel Mckay 9
Catherine Mckay 7 b. Campsie
Anna Jane Mckay 5 b. Campsie
Sarah Mckay 2 b. Glasgow
Georgina Mckay 3mo b. Glasgow


Father: Thomas Mckay, Mother: Sarah James


1. SARAH WALKER JAMES MCKAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 25 JAN 1869 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

2. EMMA JAMES MCKAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 26 JUN 1872 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

3. GEORGINA MCKAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 01 JAN 1871 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

4. ELIZABETH MC KAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 28 SEP 1856 Campsie, Stirling, Scotland

5. ISABELLA MC KAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 19 AUG 1858 Campsie, Stirling, Scotland

6. CATHERINE DAVIDSON MC KAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 09 SEP 1863 Campsie, Stirling, Scotland

7. SAMUEL MC KAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 30 MAY 1861 Campsie, Stirling, Scotland

8. JOHN JAMES MCKAY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 29 APR 1867 Bridgeton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland


THOMAS MCKAY
Parents:
Father: SAMUEL MCKAY Family
Mother: ISABELLA GUILD
Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH JAMES Family
Marriage: 06 JUN 1856 Campsie, Stirling, Scotland
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.


1841

Name: Samuel McKay
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Campsie
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Main St
Occupation: Mason J
Parish Number: 475
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel McKay 30
Isabella McKay 30
Isabella McKay 11
Thomas McKay 8
George McKay 3
William McKay 7 MO


1851

Name: Isabella Mckay
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1812
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's Name: Samuel Mckay
Gender: Female
Where born: Campsie, Stirlingshire
Parish Number: 475
Civil parish: Campsie
Town: Lennoxtown
County: Stirlingshire
Address: Main St Rackayelam
ED: 4
Page: 5 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 15
Line: 7
Roll: CSSCT1851_99
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Mckay 44
Isabella Mckay 39
Isabella Mckay 20
Thomas Mckay 18
Goerge Mckay 13
William Mckay 4
Jane Mckay 1

To see Douglas Davis Spears Fraser (b28/4/1888)'s WW1 attestation papers, look up 1015066 at
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-100.01-e.php
[addy=813 Howe St - it's in downtown Vancouver
nok= sister, Miss W Fraser of 112 Kenmuir? St Pollockshills Scotland
Doug's a chauffeur - enlisted 7/1/1916
Back of form gives midname as David]


A look up at http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/collections/virtualmem
gets the CWGC type stuff - no submitted images.


I don't see any hits on 1911 Canadian Census (nominal date 1/6/1911)
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/index.jsp

Home again.

Thank you,Liz!!!!!!!

I'd totally missed that 1901 when I was searching before.

Where on earth did the Beech family (fairly big one) get to in 1861 and 1871 I wonder????

At least 2 of the sons show up in 1881-1901 in Scotland as Iron Bridge Builders (or something similar).

All the best,
Maureen

1841

BEACH, Charles M 25 1816 blacksmith
BEACH, Ann F 20 1821 Staffordshire VIEW
BEACH, Sarah F 0 (5 months) 1841 Staffordshire VIEW
Piece:
996 Book/Folio:
9/42 Page:
14 Registration District:
Stourbridge


1851

BEACH, Charles Head Married M 36 1815 Boiler Maker
Norwitch VIEW
BEACH, Ann Wife Married F 31 1820
Bromsgrove
Worcestershire VIEW
BEACH, Sarah Daughter F 10 1841 Scholar
Kingswinford
Staffordshire VIEW
BEACH, John Son M 7 1844 Scholar
Staffordshire VIEW
BEACH, Mary Daughter F 5 1846 Scholar
Kingswinford
Staffordshire VIEW
BEACH, Charles Son M 3 1848
Kingswinford
Staffordshire VIEW
BEACH, Samuel Son M 1 1850
Kingswinford
Staffordshire VIEW
Piece:
2036 Folio:
681 Page:
8 Registration District:
Stourbridge Union

Civil Parish:
Kingswinford Municipal Borough:
Address:
Quarry Bank, Kingswinford County:
Worcestershire

Civil Parish:
Kingswinford Municipal Borough:
Address:
Chapel Street, Kingswinford County:
Staffordshire

Charles Beech found by Maureen.


groom's name: Charles Beach
bride's name: Ann Mountford
marriage date: 22 Sep 1839
marriage place: Kingswinford, Stafford, England
indexing project (batch) number: M01234-5
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1470765


1891 Scotland Census about Charles Beech
Name: Charles Beech
Age: 75
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relationship: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 644/14
Registration district: Kinning Park
Civil parish: Glasgow Govan
Town: Kinning Park
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 20 Sussex St
Occupation: Living on Private Means
ED: 71
Household schedule number: 2
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1891_299
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Beech 75
Sarah Ann Beech 50


1881 Scotland Census about Charles Beech
Name: Charles Beech
Age: 65
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Ann Beech
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 646/1
Registration district: Govan Church
Civil parish: Govan Church
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 168 Maclean St
Occupation: Bridge Maker Ironer
ED: 8
Household schedule number: 308
Line: 4
Roll: cssct1881_254
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Beech 65
Ann Beech 61
Sarah A Beech 40
Pheobe A Beech 22

Douglas' death.

Name: FRASER
Initials: D D S
Nationality: Canadian
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Canadian Infantry (British Columbia Regiment)
Unit Text: 72nd Bn.
Age: 32
Date of Death: 01/09/1918
Service No: 1015066
Additional information: Son of the late David Speirs Fraser and Phoebe Annie Fraser, of Glasgow, Scotland.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: II. B. 13.
Cemetery: TIGRIS LANE CEMETERY, WANCOURT

Jude this is from scotlandspeople.

Images of statutory births from 1855 to 1910 are available to view on this site.
The statutory births index contains entries from the indexes to the civil registers of births for all Scotland, from 1855 until 2009.


Images of statutory marriages from 1855 to 1935 are available to view on this site.
The statutory marriages index contains entries from the the civil registers of marriages for all Scotland, from 1855 until 2009


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The Statutory Deaths Index contains entries from the paper indexes to the civil registers of deaths for all Scotland, from 1855 until 2009.

1891


1891 Scotland Census about Emily F Beach
Name: Emily F Beach
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relationship: Sister-in-Law
Gender: Female
Where born: England
Registration Number: 646/1
Registration district: Plantation
Civil parish: Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 20 Afton Crest
ED: 32
Household schedule number: 111
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1891_301
Household Members:
Name Age
David S Fraser 33
Phoebe A Fraser 52 b England
Sudney C B Fraser 9
Christine M H S S Fraser 7
Douglas D S Fraser 5
Ann M Fraser 4
Floance H H Fraser 2
Emily F Beach 33


1901


1901 Scotland Census about Emily Fanny Beech
Name: Emily Fanny Beech
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relationship: Sister-in-Law
Gender: Female
Where born: England
Registration Number: 632/1
Registration district: Carnwath
Civil parish: Carnwath
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Eastshield House
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 8
Line: 24
Roll: CSSCT1901_257
Household Members:
Name Age
David Speirs Fraser 43 Millerhill, Midlothian, spirit merchant
Gladys G M Fraser 4 Govan, Lanarkshire
Emily Fanny Beech 45
Jessie Bryce 14 servant


and here are the other children in 1901. Phoebe now going under her middle name?


1901 Scotland Census about Florence H H Fraser
Name: Florence H H Fraser
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Mother's name: Annie S Fraser
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 646/3
Registration district: Partick Burgh
Civil parish: Govan
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 27 Lilybank Gds
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 8
Household schedule number: 106
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1901_331
Household Members:
Name Age
???Annie S Fraser 42, England, Relationship: Head Asent Wife
Sydney C B Fraser 19
Chris M H S S Fraser 17
Douglas D S Fraser 15
Ann M Fraser 14
Florence H H Fraser 12
James S Fraser 9
Winifred E M Fraser 6
Margaret S Brockie 21 servant
Janet Hatson 18 servant

Maureen..do you have credits on Scotlandspeople???? What years do they cover?

LOL! Exactly,Astra!

Maureen

If Maureen has just looked up Pheobe's marriage on Scotland's People then the information on the registration should be correct. It seems she did not come from Cheshire after all. and it appears that you may have been chasing the wrong birth.

I really don't think she was,though!

I've looked at her marriage cert and trust me-that's her.

I have to go out now,but if you PM me your e-mail address I'll try to send you a copy of the certificate.

Maureen

Maureen my Phoebe was born in in Cheshire thank you for your time.

Births Sep 1858
BEECH Phoebe Anne Stourbridge 6c 195

I think the age for Phoebe on the 1891 census is likely a transcription error and should read 32 not 52!

Maureen

Ah! I just looked up Pheobe's marriage. Her father is named as Charles Beech-mechanical engineer-and mother is Annie nee Mountford.

1881 Scotland Census about Pheobe A Beech
Name: Pheobe A Beech
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles Beech
Mother's name: Ann Beech
Gender: Female
Where born: England
Registration Number: 646/1
Registration district: Govan Church
Civil parish: Govan Church
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 168 Maclean St
ED: 8
Household schedule number: 308
Line: 7
Roll: cssct1881_254
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Beech 65
Ann Beech 61
Sarah A Beech 40
Pheobe A Beech 22

Source Citation: Parish: Govan Church; ED: 8; Page: 56; Line: 7; Roll: cssct1881_254; Year: 1881.

Maureen

Thank you Astra for time. Sue

The census is the 1851 and there is no mother listed for her on it. She is just noted as a visitor and Agricultural Labourers daughter.

Astra SAFC found her mother to be Martha, but that is her what census was that on please. Look at replies. Thank you Sue