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Tempest - I think that is Joseph Cooper (boarder) with probably his Uncle - I have not researched his father Robert Fowler Cooper yet so cannot be fully certain but the occupation clinches it I think.

Londonbelle - you may be onto something here! I believe Mark Runham died in 1885 in Bethnal Green so they were married for just under a year. She could of reverted to Cooper - especially if she was with one of her children. I will investigate the Cooper - Goodridge marriage. Thankyou!

Fairy Godmother - yes, I have that. They were married after Joseph eldest was born. His name is actually Joseph Gurling Fowler Cooper (!). The Cooper's were Blacksmiths as was Joseph.

G

Forget that Pruncham women Ive found her in the 1881 with Jemmima Harris!

Do you have this then?

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Emma Gurling Name: Emma Gurling
Spouse Name: Robert Fowler Cooper
Spouse Age: Full Age
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1858
Parish: St Matthew, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Robert Gurling Porter
Spouse Father Name: George Cooper Smith

1911 search for Emma b1838 +/- 5 years in Spitalfields

Emma Cant 1843 in Holborn
Emma Driver 1836 in Wandsworth
Emma Fisher 1842 in Wandsworth
Emma Hoff 1838 in Bethnal Green
Emma Luckett 1841 in Edmonton
Emma Mihell 1836 in Mile End OldTown


So not a success

I'm thinking on the same lines as Ginny wondering whether she reverted to Emma Cooper as she could only have been married a couple of weeks before Mark Runham died.....just a thought. Note in 1871 Census Robert and Emma had a daughter Mary

Name: Emma Cooper
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation: Mother-in-Law
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitechapel, London, England

Civil Parish: Reigate
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Reigate
Sub-registration district: Reigate
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 164
Household Members:
Name Age
James Andrew Godridge 42
Mary Godridge 40
Emmeline Godridge 8
Charlotte Godridge 6
Ellen Godridge 3
Emma Cooper 65
G Eastwood 63

Possible marriage

Marriages Mar 1883
COOPER Mary Ann Hackney 1b 740
GODRIDGE James Hackney 1b 740

EDIT

Baptism of Mary Ann?

Name: Mary Ann Cooper
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1860
Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1860
Father's name: Robert Cooper
Mother's name: Emma Cooper
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St Matthias
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Londonbelle - you beat me to it with the names of the other children!

Fairy Godmother - thanks - I have Emma's baptism and info on her parents. It is the Gurlings i am researching actually.

G

1901 census - household transcription
Person: COOPER, Joseph
Address: 225, Hackney Road, Shoreditch

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

COOPER, Joseph Head Married M 57 1844 Blacksmith Shoreditch London
COOPER, Eliza Wife Married F 56 1845 Bethnal Green London
COOPER, Mary A Daughter Single F 20 1881 Feather Curler Bethnal Green London
HOOKER, Mary A Grand Daughter F 10 1891 Bethnal Green London
COOPER, Joseph Boarder Single M 43 1858 Blacksmiths Labourer Bethnal Green London
HORVEY, William Boarder Married M 74 1827 Saw Dust Dealer N K
HORVEY, Jane Wife Married F 70 1831 N K

Hi - thanks for trying Ginny.

The one with Emma Hill is a possibility (although she should be Runham). She did have a daughter Emma (age is off though). She also had Mary 1860; George 1862; Emma 1867 and Elizabeth 1868 (as well as Jospeph, Charlotte and Sarah as above). I was wrong about my assumption of Elizabeth - she married Henry PLUMB in 1888 - Emma is not with them in 1901.

The one in Lambeth - mmmm?? wrong area but could tie in more closely with a death in Camberwell. ???

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Emma Gurling Name: Emma Gurling
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1838
Baptism Date: 2 Nov 1838
Father's name: Robert Gurling
Mother's name: Mary Ann Gurling
Parish or Poor Law Union: Spitalfields Christ Church with St Mary and St Stephen
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Just looked, they're not at 5 Willows Walk in 1901

For ref 1881 census and names of other children

Name: Emma Cooper
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Limehouse

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 7 Half Nichol St
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Hackney Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Emma Cooper 43
Joseph F. Cooper 22
George Cooper 17
Emma Cooper 15
Elizabeth Cooper 12
Charlotte Cooper 6
Sarah Ann Cooper 4
Thomas Marshall 17 lodger

Still trying!


1901 England Census
about Emma Prucham
Name: Emma Prucham
Age: 63
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Vauxhall
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 320
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Prucham 63 WIDOW...WASHER WOMEN
Jemima Marris 68

just to help us 1891 census
Person: RANHAM, Emma
Address: 5, Willow Walk, Bethnal Green

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

RANHAM, Emma Head Widow F 53 1838 Charwoman Spitalfields London
COOPER, Joseph Son Single M 35 1856 Blacksmith Bethnal Green London
COOPER, Charlotte Daughter Single F 19 1872 Greengrocers Assistant Bethnal Green London
COOPER, Sarah Daughter Single F 13 1878 Tie Maker Bethnal Green London

Im posting this for ref


1891 England Census
about Emma Rumham
Name: Emma Rumham
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Where born: Spitalfields, London, England

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green North
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Rumham 53 CHARWOMEN
Joseph Cooper 35
Charlotte Cooper 19
Sarah Cooper 13

What about this one...Ive deleted the other


1901 England Census
about Emma Cooper
Name: Emma Cooper
Age: 62
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Mother-in-Law
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth

Civil Parish: Southwark St George The Martyr
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: London Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 185
Household Members: Name Age
George Hill 42
Emma Hill 41
Emma Hill 12
Rose Hill 10
George Hill 8
Bessie Hill 1
Emma Cooper 62 WIDOW...COOK

Hi

Yes, Londonbelle - I think she was only married to Mark Runham for about a year before he died. The witnesses are her son Joseph and Elizabeth Bennett is likely to be her daughter but I haven't followed that up yet.

Ginny - I don't think that is her. Those names don't mean anything I am afraid.

and then Mark must have died shortly after they married

Marriages Mar 1884
RUNHAM Mark Bethnal Green 1c 379

Emma's second Marriage

Name: Emma Cooper widow
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Spouse Name: Mark Runham widower occ Carman
Spouse Age: 52
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 02 Mar 1884
Parish: St Jude, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Robert Garling deceased Carman
Spouse Father Name: John Runham deceased Labourer

Address for both: 32 Victoria Street

Witnesess: Joseph Cooper & Elizabeth Bennett

Can anyone have a look for mis-transcriptions etc on 1901 and 1911 census please?

Emma RUNHAM appears on 1891 census in Bethnal Green with her son Joseph Cooper and his sisters Charlotte and Sarah Cooper. Emma is a widow. I have the earlier census of her with her first husband, Robert COOPER. The only death I can find for Emma is in 1917 in Camberwell - she is aged 81 which would give a roughly correct birth year but the family appear to have stayed in Bethnal Green (up to 1891 anyhow). If that is her, I should be able to find her on 1901 and 1911 census but I have drawn a blank. Her maiden name, in case it helps is GURLING and she was born around 1838 in Spitalfields.

Thanks

Gai