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I can't either. I've just ordered John Perkins and Lily Broadbent's marriage certificate to see if John's father is on the certificate.
On the 1841 census I have 3 male Perkins who could be his father in Bewdley:

Samuel Perkins born 1816 Worcs living in Bewdley
William Perkins born 1821 Worcs living in Bewdley
James Perkins born 1823 Worcs living in Bewdley

Mary I can't find Mary Bourne on the census either. I thought it was just me!!

Most interesting! Thanks a lot everyone.

I know have to look up John's parents who must have been a Miss Bourne and a Mr Perkins.

If you say he went to the US in the gold rush and his first wife was from the US and his first child Gorgia was born in the US then he must have married there the first time.

????

Groom's Name: John Perkins
Groom's Race:
Groom's Age: 24 years
Groom's Birth Date: 1843
Groom's Birthplace: England
Bride's Name: Lydia Cleveland
Bride's Race:
Bride's Age: 24 years
Bride's Birth Date: 1843
Bride's Birthplace:
Marriage Type:
Marriage Date: 24 Nov 1867
Marriage Place: Constantine, St Joseph, Michigan
Groom's Father:
Groom's Mother:
Bride's Father:
Bride's Mother:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband:
Film Number: 2342448
Frame Number:
Digital Folder Number: 4207954
Image Number: 201
Reference Number: v 1 p 195 rn 165
Collection: Michigan Marriages, 1868-1925

Why can't i find the 1851 census for Mary Bourne with grandson John Perkins???

Maryb

You really do need that marriage cert first so that you can be sure you are following the correct John.

The will which Maryb has found would also be very useful.

Dea x

1901 England Census
about John Perkins Name: John Perkins
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Lily Perkins
Gender: Male
Where born: Bewdley, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Leamington Priors
Ecclesiastical parish: Leamington Priors All Saints
Town: Leamington
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Warwick
Sub-registration district: Leamington
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 183
Household Members: Name Age
John Perkins 58
Lily Perkins 43
John Perkins 20
Dorothy L Perkins 13
Lilian E Hane 9
Emily Reader 37

Flick; I know, confusing because I had found that information a while ago and don't understand because he was born in Bewdley for us as I said before but I think it's interesting that in your information you've definately got the right family in 1881 - John, Lily and John their son. Which would probably make the information about his first wife in 1871 correct too. Not sure what to think!

I've deleted my postings...........as the info was being discounted

If you have the ref to his marriage to Lily buy his marriage cert which you can do online. that will tell you who his father was if he knew.

Thanks Mary!

Barbara, sorry I didn't read your message properly before. Where is the Rock area please?

John Perkins of 51,High Street Leamington Spa died 25/4/1934 left £1836 17s to his widow Lily perkins.

Maryb

Thank you all very much for your help. It's beginning to make sense.

John's mother would have been a Miss Bourne married to a Mr Perkins (could possibly be a John as every generation that we know of had a son with the forename of John) and he would therefore have been an orphan very young.

Next step in effect - finding their marriage

It might help to see the details from that 1851 census:

'This' John was an orphan, living with his grandmother.

I cannot at the moment trace the grandmother back with certainty and I cannot
see a Perkins/Bourne marriage to fit. - Can't look now but will look further later.

BOURNE, Mary Head Widow F 86 1765 Beesom Maker Pauper Bewdley Worcestershire VIEW
BOURNE, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 35 1816 Idiot Pauper Bewdley Worcestershire VIEW
PERKINS, John Grand Son Orphan M 8 1843 Scholar Bewdley Worcestershire VIEW

RG number: HO107 Piece: 2039 Folio:246 Page:5

Registration District:
Kidderminster Sub District:
Bewdley Enumeration District:
4FA Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Ribbesford Municipal Borough:
Bewdley Address:
Long Hill, Ribbesford, Bewdley County:
Worcestershire

Dea x

Flick - yes I'm looking for ancestors of John Perkins. I haven't a clue how to find his parents as I'm not in England and the only info that I managed to find was the same as Anne's, that he was with his grandparents in 1851 (but is this the correct John? I don't know).

The rest is irrelevant but:

John Perkins married to Lily Broadbent, we have never heard that he was married a first time with a child so this could be quite amazing because I have just spoken to my father who has just confirmed that he did go to the US on the gold rush. For us he was born in Bewdley, Worcestershire (which Mary confirms on her info), was a butcher, but my great grandfather left home at 15 and was estranged from his father so we don't know anything else because he was never spoken about.
This is fascinating.

1911 John Perkins born Bewdley 1843 butcher Dealer
Lily 1858 leeds
Dorothy age 24

51,High Street leamington.
10 Rooms 2 children born 2 alive.

Maryb

Hi!
have found a John perkins aged 7 in the 1851 census.
Father:John aged 57
Mother Drusilla: aged 49
Brothet Thomas: aged 15

Father is registered as a beer seller.
Address: 'Plough Inn', 63 ( what looks like) Clevbury Road.
Interestingly there is a George Perkins living with a Sarah Davey or Dovey in No 64, next door. George is listed as her nephew.
They are all living in the Rock area.

Does this help?

You could send for the marriage cert for John and Lily then you would get Johns fathers name which would make it easier to find on the 1851 census

John Perkins

England and Wales Census, 1851
birth: Bewdley, Worcestershire

record title: England and Wales Census, 1851
name: John Perkins
age: 8
gender: M
birthplace: Bewdley, Worcestershire
relationship to head of household: Grand Son
record type: Household


John Perkins

England and Wales Census, 1881
birth: 1809 — Bewdley, Worcester, England
residence: Birmingham, Warwick, England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1881
name: John Perkins
age: 72
gender: Male
birth year: 1809
birthplace: Bewdley, Worcester, England
relationship to head of household: Lodger
marital condition: Widowed
profession / occupation: Cab Proprietor
address: 69 Rea Street
census place: Birmingham, Warwick, England
record type: Household
family history library film: 1341713
the national archives reference: RG11
piece / folio: 2985 / 25
page number: 43


John Perkins

England and Wales Census, 1891
birth: Bewdley, Worcestershire
residence: England

record title: England and Wales Census, 1891
name: John Perkins
age: 47
gender: Male
birthplace: Bewdley, Worcestershire
relationship to head of household: Head
record type: