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thanks Dea - will follow it up.

As I mentioned above - the records for this particular Workhouse are at :

Centre for Kentish Studies in Maidstone, Kent

Dea x

As there is no father's name on the birth cert. then it is possible that Henry was illegitimate, in which case it is very likely he was born in a Workhouse.
Don't know where to look for Workhouse records, but could be worth looking into.

thanks for all the work this morning - its great to know there are people out there who are willing to help - even if we don't make progress on this particular problem.
bob

The workhouse at Sandhill was part of the Tonbridge Union and the surviving records are at the Centre for Kentish Studies in Maidstone, Kent

Dea x

it was worth a try Dea !

Don't know that it gets us much further but there was a Union Workhouse called Sandhill on Pembury Rd., Tonbridge. !!

Dea x

Hi Choccy,

good theory, but;

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
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Newall Thomas Lincoln 7a 1050
Smith Annie Musgrave Lincoln 7a 1050



Dee x

Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%)
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Musgrave Sarah Ann Lincoln 7a 1037
Smith John Isaac Lincoln 7a 1037

Don't think so Barbara as Musgrove is th other name on the birth certificate

I've just googled Sandhill, Tonbridge Rural and came across another thread on this site.
It stated that the address on the birth cert. she had was also Sandhill, Tonbridge Rural, father was a hawker and turns out the parents were Romany Gypsies?

what about this ?


1891

SMITH, John Head Married M 43 1848 Brass Turner
Heighington
Lincolnshire VIEW
SMITH, Sarah Ann Wife Married F 38 1853
Dunholme
Lincolnshire VIEW
SMITH, Jessie Daughter Single F 15 1876 Milliners Apprentice
Dunholme
Lincolnshire VIEW
>>>>>SMITH, Annie Musgrove Daughter Single F 13 1878 Scholar
Dunholme
Lincolnshire VIEW
SMITH, John Walt Son Single M 11 1880 Scholar
Dunholme
Lincolnshire VIEW
SMITH, Harry Son Single M 5 1886 Scholar
Dunholme
Lincolnshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
2590 Folio:
62 Page:
33

Registration District:
Lincoln Sub District:
Lincoln Home Enumeration District:
10 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Peter At Gowts

Civil Parish:
Lincoln Municipal Borough:
Lincoln Address:
78, Alfred Street, Lincoln County:
Lincolnshire



1881

MUSGRAVE, Henry Head Married M 54 1827 Farmer 155 Acres
Stainton
Lincolnshire VIEW
MUSGRAVE, Annie Wife Married F 55 1826
Scothorne
Lincolnshire VIEW
SMITH, Jesse Grand Daughter Single F 5 1876
Lincoln
Lincolnshire VIEW
>>>>>MUSGRAVE, Annie Grand Daughter Single F 3 1878
Lincoln
Lincolnshire VIEW
MUSGRAVE, John Walter Grand Son Single M 1 1880
Lincoln
Lincolnshire VIEW
BARRAND, Alice Servant Single F 16 1865 General Serv
Branston Fen
Lincolnshire VIEW
GAY, John Servant Single M 17 1864 Farm Serv (Indoors)
Coleby
Lincolnshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG11 Piece:
3247 Folio:
29 Page:
3

Registration District:
Horncastle Sub District:
Wragby Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Minting Municipal Borough:
Address:
?, Minting County:
Lincolnshire

The mother (Greenwood) in the 1911 found by Catherine looks to be the mother of Henry Smith. Could this have been a second marriage for her?

That happens a lot.... I am coming to the conclusion that there are some interesting issues here that I just can't quite unearth. I am hoping that once the 1921 census is out I may be able to get a hit and start again!

I got quite excited at this one, even though place of birth doesn't fit.
Then I noticed mother's name..............oh hum back to the drawing board:-

1911
SMITH, Henry Head Married 10 years M 30 1881 Carman Laundry Acton Middx VIEW
SMITH, Annie Wife Married F 27 1884 Ironer Laundry Stepney London VIEW
SMITH, Henry G Son M 7 1904 Acton Middx VIEW
SMITH, William A Son M 6 1905 Acton Middx VIEW
SMITH, Ethel M Daughter F 3 1908 Acton Middx VIEW
FISHER, Emma Aunt Widow F 69 1842 London City VIEW
GREENWOOD, Annie Mother Widow F 49 1862 Washer Laundry Bethnal Green London VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
6934 Reference:
RG14PN6934 RG78PN344 RD128 SD5 ED7 SN268

Registration District:
Brentford Sub District:
Chiswick Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Chiswick

Address:
26 James St Chiswick W County:
Middlesex

The adress on teh birth certificate is given only as Sandhill, Tonbridge Rural (no street or house number). The adress on his marriage certificate in 1932 is 16 Golding street, Tonbridge Wells.

What address did he give on the marriage cert.?

Oh bob1, I don't envy you.

What about the address on the birth certificate? Or have you checked the electoral roll for the address given when he married?


Deex

Dee, no occpation unfortunately. The witnesses appear to be all from the stark side of the marriage.

bob1,

was there an occupation for Henry Snr on the marriage cert? Were the witnesses of any help?


Dee x