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I am getting confused now...... what am I meant to be doing?

Sean

Oh sorry Ann, it's probably me not explaining very well as usual. I do apologise. I was the one who suggested the possible birth, so I was trying to save him money, now that Southport won't do checks. Thank goodness you were able to help.

With a bit of luck they will be understanding at Durham and let him do the same over the phone - fingers crossed.

Christine,

Sean was getting a muddled with the online, he sent me a pm, so I said ring Southport with your info and order over the phone if he feels more comfortable doing it that way.........think he is refering to that. lol

Annx

No Sean, you have to buy the certificate to get the details. But if you find the birth (or whatever you are looking for) in the on-line indexes, you can then download a form to apply for it where you can state that you only want it if........... fathers name etc . That way you are more likely to get the right certificate without wasting your money.
If you phone them first you may even be able to do the same, it's worth a try.

I have took note of that and will phone them and check that tomorow...... will they give me info about it if I phone them?

Sean

The possible birth I found earlier is at Durham. If you want to check parents details for a birth etc in Durham, these are the details for the Register Office Sean -

County of Durham The Register Office, Cockton House, 35 Cockton Hill Road, Bishop Auckland, DL14 6HS.
Tel: 01388 607277. Fax: 01388 664388.
E-mail: [email protected]
On-line indexes - North East BMD

At the on-line indexes for instances, you can download a form where you can state the fathers name etc -

http://nd.durham.gov.uk/gro/bi188190.nsf/newintermediate?openform&order=C0326955070407042009$&idpass=bi1881903F2DAB9BD275FE3080256D2400579801

Don't panic, I didn't part wish cash or owt, I was only enquiring, I have used them before to get William Smith's marraige certificate, they never have any luck with his birth certificate though, I think it was South Tyneside Registry Office, he was married in South Shields, it was about 4 years ago now when they got me his marraige certificate.

But don't worry, I am not daft enough to be parting with cash with anyone, my cousin does the family tree too, but she does my Nana's side, I do the same side but also do my Grandad's side aswell, she gives me info on where I can find things aswell, so if I get stuck I can ask her, plus I now got all of you (who have so kindly helped and offered).

Anyway I only enquire about the certificates by email before I do anything lol

Sean

Crikes!! Just had an e-mail from Sean, saying he has contacted someone regarding ordering all his certs, but he cant remember who!! Hope he has not given his CC details! Have sent him a reply stating to only order GRO and also the address and telephone number of Southport Registry, who I find are very helpful, as he may feel more comfortable "speaking" to someone before parting with his cash.

Annx

You're very welcome, but I should be thanking all of you, but I can't express how thankful I am.

Thank you all so much :)

Sean

Thank you Sean. You have been a pleasure to search for.

Chris

Thank you Sean.

Annx

Thanks everyone for everything, I have wrote everything down, and have been in touch with a registrar place (not sure which one, i forget lol) about birth, death and marraige cert for everyone (including William) that has been mentioned, but Williams certs are the main ones i am after, so hopefully i hear from them soon.

Don't worry, once i get my hands on them I will give you all the info that is on them, or if I can scan it, I can send you copies of it or something.

Hello Ann

Yes, I didn't want to confuse him, but being a Smith by marriage myself I got a bit carried away I'm afraid:) I know what a pain they can be. My hunt for hubby's lot makes Seans look a doddle :))

Anyway, I hope that Sean will just make notes and keep them safe until he has the birth cert. I hope he comes back to tell us what it says. It would be lovely to know how some of these hunts work out.

Chris x

Hello Christine,

That death age for a Sarah Smith Durham is bang on! I am so glad I do not have any Smiths in my line. Sean has a lot to go now, but really needs Williams birth cert......to save going on a wild goose chase.

It is strange the ELIZABETH being thrown into the pot, very confusing!

Annx

Christine its Sean not Robert! lol

OOPS - sorry Ann and Sean :)))))))) I think I must have been getting mixed up with Alice Violets possible husband !!

Thank you for looking at 1911 Ann. I can't fathom why on earth she would call herself Elizabeth Sarah just on one census and not on marriage or anything else!! Looking for a likely death for a Sarah Smith, even when you know it's probably Durham somewhere is like looking for a needle in a haystack. This is the nearest to age I have come across but who knows !! Perhaps Joseph Perriman worked her to death - Ohhhhhh I wonder if she married him - off to check:))
p.s. NO, doesn't look like it.


Deaths Mar 1914
Smith Sarah 54 Durham 10a 490

Its a Staffordshire birthplace, but dont know the placename?
1911 census - household transcription
Person: SMITH, Sarah
Address: 26 Front Double Row Quarrington Hill Coxhoe

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Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation Where Born Original
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PERRYMAN, Joseph Head Widower M 44 1867 Coal Miner Hewer Bishop Auckland Durham VIEW
PERRYMAN, William Son M 15 1896 Coal Miner Driver Quarrington Hill Durham VIEW
PERRYMAN, Charles Son M 13 1898 School Quarrington Hill Durham VIEW
PERRYMAN, Thomas Son M 9 1902 School Quarrington Hill Durham VIEW
SMITH, Sarah Widow F 52 1859 Housekeeper Dudley Port Staffordshire VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
29988 Reference:
RG14PN29988 RG78PN1733 RD551 SD2 ED27 SN52

Registration District:
Durham Sub District:
Durham Enumeration District:
27 Parish:
Coxhoe

Address:
26 Front Double Row Quarrington Hill Coxhoe County:
Durham



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Christine its Sean not Robert! lol

I am sure I spotted a likely for the mother 1911, will take a look again.

Annx

I don't want to fill your head with too much information Robert, but I was looking to see if I could fathom out whether she was called Elizabeth Sarah or just Sarah on her death reference. Whilst trying to pin down a death year I was trying to find her in 1911 and I 'accidentally' found something else that you might want to keep for the future, as part of it has been mistranscribed. I believe this is a marriage for Williams sister Alice Violet -

Marriages Sep 1908
SMITH Alice Violet Durham 10a 636
To Robert Blakey

In 1911 I wondered if Sarah/Elizabeth Sarah would be with them but doing a free search and Dea's tip of *i* nothing comes up.
Only Alice, Robert and a baby Violet 7 months old.

If someone with a 1911 sub would be kind enough to check please?

Yeah I know, I have wrote everything down and will keep hold of it all, and hopefully i can get my hands on the certificates I need to clarify everything, everything's been going so fast today, a lot going on lol

I know why Sean is calling her Elizabeth Sarah Smith, it's because that's what she has given on the 1901 census. She is Sarah on all the others though and I couldn't find a marriage to an Elizabeth Sarah. The trouble is that Smith is such a common name and I suppose they could have married anywhere.

As Ann says, I only posted the POSSIBLE marriage etc details for you to hold on to in case that was them.

Ann is right Sean, you need the birth certificate to find out exactly what the parents names are.