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On the 1911 George has a Daughter Louisa aged 24 years. Could it be possible that George was not actually free to marry Alice as he was still married to his first wife and so George and Alice just "claimed" to be married.

If it were me, I would be looking more closely at the marriage of Geroge Harding and Jane Eliza Jeffries. I think that there is a good chance that the Louisa with Jane on the 1891 census is the same Louisa that is with George in 1911. I suspect that Jane and her husband possibly just went their seperate ways and that she wasn't actually widowed in 1891.

children of family in 1901 - ?


1901

TAYLOR, William Head Married M 36 1865 Coachman
Torquay
Devonshire VIEW
TAYLOR, Kate Wife Married F 30 1871
Salisbury
Wiltshire VIEW
>>>HARDING, George Lodger Single M 23 1878 Fishmonger
N K VIEW
>>>HARDING, Samuel Lodger Single M 19 1882 Cellarman
Bournemouth
Hampshire VIEW
>>>HARDING, James Lodger Single M 17 1884 Cellarman
Bournemouth
Hampshire VIEW
>>>HARDING, William Lodger Single M 16 1885 Greengrocer
Bournemouth
Hampshire VIEW
PERRY, James Lodger Single M 18 1883 Blacksmith
North Stoneham
Hampshire VIEW
WARD, Charlotte Visitor Single F 30 1871 Milliner
Westbourne Park
London VIEW

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
1041 Folio:
57 Page:
47

Registration District:
Christchurch Sub District:
Bournemouth Enumeration District:
12 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Bournemouth Holy Trinity

Civil Parish:
Bournemouth Municipal Borough:
Address:
8, Stafford Road Wolverton Terrace, Bournemouth County:
Hampshire

OMG!!! I have just searched all the marriages between 1881 and 1906 for a Lavinia White to a George Harding!!! And of course, there isn't one!!

Well, now that we have sorted out that the mother was not Lavinia,
I keep going back to this marriage but it doesn't really make sense
when she should be 'White' ?

Marriages Jun 1902
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****Batt Alice Louisa Andover 2c 432
Farrant Alfred Henry Andover 2c 432
****HARDING George Andover 2c 432
Street Fanny Louisa Andover 2c 432

Dea x

Clafification

On the 1911 Cenus Harolds mother is Alice Harding aged 30
Harolds birth certificate shows the mother as Alice Louisa Harding frormelry White

Same name on both birth and census without her middle name.

same for Harolds father George.

I could only find one Harold Henry Harding on free bmd which is the certificate I have/ The 1911 census matches the area.

Possible birt h for George found on free bmd

Harding George John Dorchester 5a 329

I would have thought that George was married befor because of the age different and the fact the daughter Louisa is 24 and the mother Alice 30.

I have had no luck in finding a marriage with help also thanks.

Are my findings wrong or incorrect?

Candis

PH

that's what I first noticed ... the diffeerence between mother;s name from birth certificate, and the name on the census


Explanations???


1. George had married yet again

2. We have 2 different George's





sylvia

Sorry I am back took longer than I thought to collect parcel. Got lost and stuck in traffic/

Mother is Alice Louisa

Making the year they married about 1901

I can only find a marriage for 1901 to a Barrup for a Harding.

I believe I have the right certs and cenus as the George is a green grocer on all three.

Phew! Back again.
I have not figured it out yet, but there is something not quite right about all this

Birth Cert
Harold Henry Harding born 17 Dec 1906 96 Stewart Road, Christcurch, Bournemouth.

Father Geore John, Greengrocer Master.
Mother Lavinia Harding formerly White.

On the 1911 census you found.........it states that George John Harding has been married to Alice for 10 yrs!!

Which means it cant be the same George can it ?? Hmmmm!!

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1884 (>99%)
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Fowler Mary Anne Portsea 2b 743
Harding George Portsea 2b 743
Jefferies Jane Eliza Portsea 2b 743
Turner Alfred Edwin Portsea 2b 743

Name: Louisa Harding
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Portsmouth, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Georges
Town: Portsea
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Portsea Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Fowler 65
Jane E Fowler 42 Daughter, Widow, Char woman (image says Harding)
Richard Fowler 12 Son
William Jeffries 11 Grandson
Louisa Harding 4
Emma Kay 39 Boarder

There is a Louisa living with her mother and gradfather in 1891

Pricklyholly, how many years does it say that George & Alice have been married? Thanks

EDIT

Thanks.....

1911 census - household transcription
Person: HARDING, Violet
Address: 13 Stewart Road East Bournemouth

HARDING, George Head Married M 56 1855 Green Grocery Barrow Dorchester VIEW
HARDING, Alice Wife F 30 1881 London VIEW
HARDING, Louisa Daughter Single F 24 1887 Kitchen Maid On Boarding House Bournemouth VIEW
HARDING, Frederick Son M 8 1903 Bournemouth VIEW
HARDING, Queenie Daughter M 7 1904 Bournemouth VIEW
HARDING, Harold Son M 4 1907 Bournemouth VIEW
HARDING, Violet Daughter F 2 1909 Bournemouth VIEW
SMITH, Margaret Visitor Married F 25 1886 Liverpool VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
5862 Reference:
RG14PN5862 RG78PN267 RD95 SD2 ED31 SN61

Registration District:
Christchurch Sub District:
Bournemouth Enumeration District:
31 Parish:
Bournemouth

Address:
13 Stewart Road East Bournemouth County:
Hampshire
(Married 10 years. 6 children born 5 living)

Thank you to everyone for all your help so far.

I too will be back in a little bit I need to pick a parcel up.
I will pick this up again later.

candis

oops sorry its Laura on the 1911 census aged 34

Louisa on the 1911......
I am not finding them in 1901!
I will come back to it later......i need to do the school run. x

The George PricklyHolly found in 1881 - married but not living with family:

1881 England Census
about George Harding
Name: George Harding
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Christchurch, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Holdenhurst
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address: 2 Lyton Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Fishmonger

Registration district: Christchurch
Sub-registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Harding 26
James Rogers 23 Lodger
Joseph Rogers 21 Lodger

Is it a Louisa or a Laura on the 1911 census please?

Thank you Pricklyholly

I am trying to find the family in 1901.