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going back to James birth reg if he was 16 when the 1901 census was taken (31 st March) it is more likely and would fit with the baptism we found (jan 1895) that he was born in the 1st qtr of 1895

Births Mar 1885 (>99%)
Morris James Chorlton 8c 764

forgot to say Joe thanks for the info about James marriage. It was helpful in getting my head round the various names.

I keep flipping between the 3 threads and getting myself lost

hope the Lavinia birth cert gives what you want

please let us know

Hi, anyone remember me?

Lavinia's 1879 Birth Cert finally arrived and confirms the father as William Henry Morris and mother as Charlotte , formerly Bowcock, birth registered in sub-district of Newton.

I have found a definite marriage at Manchester Cathedral for William H Morris and Charlotte Bowcock in Jun. 1874 but am wondering if I should try to get a Birth Cert for one of their other children first ( maybe James or Hannah?) before I go ahead and assume that william Henry and Charlotte are the right ones?

Or can I be safe in thinking that Lavinia's certificate proves it conclusively?

Also, the marriage in the Cathedral is putting me off a bit.

Just seems strange to me that very poor people would be getting married there.

If anyone knows if this was normal, I would love to hear it.

Sounds a bit like a place where Royals would get married, not paupers.

quote from link below if that helps!!
An extremely large number of marriages were performed at the Cathedral, mainly due to the fact that if a couple from the parish of Manchester opted to get married elsewhere, then they would have to pay 2 sets of fees!


http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Manchester/Manchester/cathedral/index.html

thanks Jan, so that clears that up. Poor people did get married there.

up until 1847 Manchester Cathedral was just the Collegiate parish church of Manchester (ie it originally had a college attached.) dedicated to St Mary St Denis and St George

So it presumably still served as the parish church for that area of Manchester

Blackburn Cathedral is similar - it was originally the parish church dedicated to St Mary. I don't know what Manchester cathedral is like inside but Blackburn to me has more of the feel of a parish church than a Cathedral.

Thanks Ann, I don't think I've ever been inside.