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So even though she is pregnant at the census he describes her as Servant and doesn't get round to marrying until just before Thomas is born !

Yes that is Frank Copley-Dunn Birth he married Edith Flower my granmother inlaw

I made a misstake the children belonged to Sarah Jane Atkin and i thought it was Harriet,my mistake.Sorry

Yes, he says 7 children 6 living then crossed it out.

But weren't Ann and Ellen the children of Benjamin and Jane before she died?

Ann is alive so Ellen died

ATKIN Head Widow F 68 1843 Yorkshire Sheffield VIEW
ATKIN, William Son Single M 40 1871 Stove Grate Filer Yorkshire Sheffield VIEW
ALLENDER, Annie Niece Single F 21 1890 Yorkshire Sheffield VIEW
DUNN, Annie Niece Single F 12 1899 School Yorkshire Sheffield VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
27870 Reference:
RG14PN27870 RG78PN1595 RD510 SD2 ED3 SN54

Registration District:
Sheffield Sub District:
North Sheffield Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Sheffield

Address:
97 Scotland St Sheffield

Also Ann and Ellen one of which died

Hi Janette

Why do you think that Harriet had several children out of wedlock? The only one would seem to be Fred. I assume you have his birth certificate telling you who the father is? Is this his birth ?

Births Jun 1911
Copley Frank Sheffield 9c 542

I would say that these are most likely the children born to Benjamin and Harriett -
Births Jun 1913
Dunn Thomas Copley Sheffield 9c 1120

Births Sep 1914
DUNN Gladys Copley Sheffield 9c 1114

Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
Dunn Florence Copley Sheffield 9c 964

Births Mar 1918
Dunn Elizabeth Copley Sheffield 9c 907

I found the death for Sarah Atkin as 1909, so Arthur,Sarah,Willie,Albert,and Benjamin must belong to Benjamin and Sarah.is that right?

Thanks again.it looks like Harriet had a few children out of wed lock then,as she got married in 1913.

On the 1911 image , crossed out he says married 12 years 7 children 6 living


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Sarah Jane Dunn
Name: Sarah Jane Dunn
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 30
District: Ecclesall Bierlow
County: Derbyshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 236 (click to see others on page)

Hi Lindsey thankyou for your help i think that Arthur ,Sarah,Willie,albert and Benjamin might be to Harriet and Arthur,Ellen and Ann might be to his first wife Sarah Jane Atkin.

Marriages Mar 1913 (>99%)
Copley Harriett Dunn Sheffield 9c 854
Dunn Benjamin Copley Sheffield 9c 854

1901 England Census about Benjamin Dunn
Name: Benjamin Dunn
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane Dunn
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Moorfields Sheffield St Jude
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 261
Household Members:
Name Age
Benjamin Dunn 24
Jane Dunn 23
Anne Dunn 1
Arthur Dunn 4
Ellen Dunn 3

DUNN, Benjamin Head Widower M 35 1876 G Labourer General Sheffield Yorkshire VIEW
DUNN, Arthur Son M 14 1897 Grinder Table Blade Sheffield Yorkshire VIEW
DUNN, Sarah Daughter F 13 1898 Card Board Box Maker Sheffield Yorkshire VIEW
DUNN, Willie Son M 9 1902 School Sheffield Yorkshire VIEW
DUNN, Albert Son M 6 1905 School Sheffield Yorkshire VIEW
DUNN, Benjamin Son M 4 1907 Sheffield Yorkshire VIEW
COPLEY, Harriett Servant Single F 32 1879 Servant General Sheffield Yorkshire VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
27888 Reference:
RG14PN27888 RG78PN1595 RD510 SD2 ED21 SN98

Registration District:
Sheffield Sub District:
North Sheffield Enumeration District:
21 Parish:
Sheffield

Address:
17 Ward Street Sheffield

Can anyone please check on the 1911 census please.i have a Benjamin Dunn married to Harriet Copley born Sheffield.children was Frank Copley-Dunn born 1912 sheffield who is my grandfather by marriage.Gladys Dunn born 1914 Sheffield,Florence 1916 Sheffield Elizabeth 1918 Sheffield,on the free bmd there is a Thomas Dunn born Sheffield 1913 with Dunn and Copley as parents can this be another child of Benjamin and Harriet.will be greatfull if anyone can help please.thankyou Janette