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Well I know there is no actual family connection but I would LOVE to know what Henry Snape died of !!

I just have to say - in defence of the ketchup butties - when I was a girl (MANY years ago), we used to go to the shop for penny cobs !!

They were hovis, or round crispy rolls etc !

I used to love the round crispy rolls and would bite off the top, put my little finger in and scoop out all the soft inside, then fill them with tomato sauce and eat them up !!!

That is what you call a 'ketchup buttie !!!!!!!!!!!!

Yummmmm !!

Dea Xxx

No, not sad Dea. It's an unsolved mystery. He is there in 1901 as a supposed relative. He isn't nothing to the family. If I were Bobbo I'd get his death cert, and hope it says something useful about the informant. I simply couldn't rest without it.

Deaths Sep 1902 (>99%)
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SEAL John 89 Salford 8d 100

Ah, a chef. Hmm. A chef who feeds his kids ketchup butties.

Can't you fetch home a few leftovers from the kitchen? The odd few mushrooms a la grecque, or maybe a bit of salmon mousse.

I used to work with chef-lecturers, taught on hospitality courses. Aren't chef's supposed to be highly excitable people? No, I worked with some great blokes.

Well, folks, there's a free gourmet meal on Robert coming up - I will post details later.

Incidentally, I was a bit miffed that he was getting his certs sent much faster than me - ordered 8 about 3 weeks ago. I imagined the service was slow over Christmas/New year, but eventually it got to me. Found my order still sitting there on the GRO cos I hadn't completed the process! Awaiting 8 certs tomorrow. Daughter's partner's family. Latest investigation. Proving interesting.

Now, back to those Seals. Beginning to think as Janey said, he was just a friend or neighbour. Maybe a godfather. No, not the Mafia.

Madmeg - I have been 'on a mission too' - I can't fathom this one but I keep trying !!!

Sad or what ???

Dea Xxx

1901 England Census
about John Seal Name: John Seal
Age: 88
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Relation: Father-in-Law
Gender: Male
Where born: Worcester, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: Ordsall in Salford St Clement
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Regent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 257
Household Members: Name Age
George Dore 24
Grace Dore 20
George Dore 4 Months
John Seal 88 ** No evidence that he is a father in law. Rather old.

1891 England Census
about John Seal Name: John Seal
Age: 77
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Darmston in Inkberrow, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Gorton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 64
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Dutton 38
Sarah E Dutton 34
Caroline Dutton 10
Thomas W Dutton 8
George H Dutton 6
Richard Dutton 4
Sarah E Dutton 2
Albert Dutton 1/12
John Seal 77 ** Not sure who this family is

1881 England Census
about John Seal Name: John Seal
Age: 67
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann Seal
Gender: Male
Where born: Stockgreen, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Gorton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Alma Place 187 Gorton Lane
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Knocker Up

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Seal 67
Mary Ann Seal 55 (nee Greystock lateThomas - m 1879 Gorton)
Richard Thomas 25
Geo. Wm. Thomas 17
Walter Swift 15 **

Here is Walter Swift:
1871 England Census
about Walter Swift Name: Walter Swift
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's name: John Swift
Mother's name: Sarah Swift ** nee Seal, m Dec 1861
Gender: Male
Where born: Gorton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: St George
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: York
Sub-registration district: Walmgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Household schedule number: 220
Household Members: Name Age
John Swift 42
Sarah Swift 32
Eliza A Swift 9
Walter Swift 5
Mary A Swift 8 Months

1871 England Census
about John Seal Name: John Seal
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann Seal
Gender: Male
Where born: Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Gorton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Gorton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 42
Household schedule number: 51
Household Members: Name Age
John Seal 57
Ann Seal 61
Hannah Longley 35 ** nee Seal, m Joseph Longley 1856
Mary Ann Haigh 29 ** nee Seal, m Wilson Haigh - when?
Harriett Seal 21
Wilson Haigh 29
Elizabeth Longley 11
Anne Longley 3
Joseph Longley 5
Elizabeth Seal 3 ** child of Harriet?

1861 England Census
about John Seal Name: John Seal
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann Seal
Gender: Male
Where born: Bradley, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Pendleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Pendleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 213
Household Members: Name Age
John Seal 47
Ann Seal 57
Hannah Longley 25
Sarah Seal 23
Mary Ann Seal 19
John C Seal 13
Harriet Seal 11

1851 England Census
about John Seal Name: John Seal
[John Teal?]
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Seal
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Cradley, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Neithrop
Ecclesiastical parish: Banbury
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Banbury
Sub-registration district: Cropredy
ED, institution, or vessel: 10f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22
Household Members: Name Age
John Seal 40
Mary Seal 40
John Seal 2
William Seal 16
Emma Seal 14
George Seal 13
Elizabeth Seal 11

Not giving up yet, but absolutely no connection found between John Seal and George Dore/Grace Dean.

More to post.

Well, Robert - If you don't swear, you must be one of them 'proper chefs', NOT one of the egotistical TV sort !!!

I bet you cook up a 'good meal' in a 'civilised' kitchen which anyone could enjoy !!

Good on yer !!

Dea Xxx

oh .............


I don't know a chef who doesn't swear, at least occasionally!



Careful


you might have a bus load of ladies descending on the palce where you work!


s
xx

Well I'm a chef. Surprised? lol

And i NEVER swear ; )*


Robert xx

LOLOLOL Rootgatherer didn't see that ....need to be an optician hehe :)

was there ever a plot?

Robert - as Dea says you are such a 'cheery chappie' my guess is a milkman or postman

Ours have always been lovely cheerful people

Where did we get to with the Seal family - I've lost the plot here as to what we are still looking for

Robert not a doorman but a Doreman!

And why you are wincing, I don't know! Most doormen that I have come across have been charming, cheery people with always a kind word. That said they probably don't have to deprive their kids of sustainance to buy birth and marriage certificates of long dead people!

You should have had Scottish ancestors they are much cheaper to research and they use a lovely naming pattern for their offspring - using maiden surnames of grandparents as middle names sure helps!

A comedian :))))))))))))))))

MM Never mind this " moving on" bit your all stuck with me now ...that's it!

Robert xx

Tee hee and I thought you all went away and left me on me own.

All wrong..........I'm a ..........


You all got to promise me not to leave me wondering in this virtual quagmire talking to myself !?

Hmmm....I still have other peeps that need sorting like THE Wife's side.....ie Bryan......Wrench.......and Makinson.

The Bryan one is wicked her Grandad was a Bryan who married an Irish lady called Dargan but there are WADS of name changes, like was Dargan really Dargen or was she Devaney and why, then there was Dolan who was probably Doolan ect OOOoooo what a minefield! They were half Catholics and half protestants, I know that because some wedding photo's were cut in half ----- COR! Some were scribbled out so lot's of conflicts going on there. JUICY.

Meg, thought about the children's home bit but I reckon he was in an Derbyshire home as he was around 3 when cast out ooooer ( Cyril that is ) Poor little scamp!

I think that oooh ooooh oooh Miss Grace was a bit of a naughty woman, god only knows what went on in her household.

ROOTGATHERER.....a doorman?????? Winces at the thought !! :)))

I wondered about that too Mary but the other day when he said he was off to work, the time didn't fit in with a Bobby's shift pattern.

Whatever his job, it doesn't look like it is a nine to five.

Could it be a clue,he's started calling himself BOBBY.

Maryb

OOOOhhhhh !!!

Rootgatherer !! - that is 'sad' !! (tee hee).

Anyway, on reflection, he is such a 'cheecky chappie' that he MUST be some sort of Salesman - probably a Car Salesman?

Dea x

I think Robert is definately a Doreman!