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Hi Robert

I thought that in 1911 the birth we found below was with his parents John Samuel and Agnes Dore, living in Alfreton - Please try and keep up :)))))))

Births Jun 1898
Dore George Recottie Belper 7b 647

Can I have a large chunk of crusty white bread and butter with my bowl of soup please?:))

Chrissie

Would that be from a chicken Robert?

FRESH PEA N HAM SOUP FOR TEA TONIGHT!!

thought that would get your attention,

hi girls,

sorry I've been away for a bit. Been busy busy.

Just noticed something, on the 1911 census George Dore has a middle name as Reesthe, but on closer inspection it's actually Ricotte like his father.
Do you concur?
Chrissie, got an e-mail from Michelle the other day, suggesting a call from Warren or Marje, but nothing as yet. Would be fun i think. Also no sign of her viewing my tree, wonder if she could follow my scewwiff insructions lool
Rob xx
hope you are all well

I think that was the right marriage - Henry 40 and Sarah Elizabeth 18. They don't seem to have had any children, but I never found them together on a census.

So that ties in with Henry being 43 when committed to prison.

Anybody any more on the Seals?

I thought the one who went to prison was about 40 ish Ann?
He was 40 on the marriage in 1869 and the one who went to prison went in about 1870/1971.

p.s. We did think at first that he might not be because of his age, before we found the marriage, because Sarah Elizabeth was only 18.

did we not say at some point that the Henry Snape who went to prison was the wrong age for Robert's henry

Thanks for all those reminders Christine.

That latest death certainly ties in age-wise, but I can't find him in that area on the censuses.

I wonder if Sarah Elizabeth married again before he died? Could you get divorced in those days on the grounds of your husband going to prison for his awful crime? This one looked a possibility?

Deaths Sep 1897
Snape Henry 68 Chorlton 8c 486

Thank you mary, that lets those two death out then.
The one that died in 1873 Preston was only 32 though. Henry's age was given as 40 on the marriage in 1869.

Henry Snape born @ 1841 died 1873 preston 8e 378 J/F/M


Maryb

Probate for Henry Snape of Oldham Gas fitter and brass finisher
died 3/07/1875 granted to widow Mary Ann Snape of 55,Barker St Oldham under £140.

Maryb

Probate for henry Snape of Birch house died 28/4/1878
Proved at Lancater by Annie Snape widow of relict as long as she remains a widow Thomas Snape brother of 141 church street and thomas nevitt,
Estate under £1,500.

Maryb

it's only when you read someone else's copy of what you wrote that you notice the mistake!!

I rather think I should have put 'HUSBAND of''

Found the reference Meg to Henry Snape death. It was posted on page 5 by Lancashire Ann -

'the burial of the 1878 Henry Snape

Burial: 2 May 1878 St Leonard, Walton le Dale, Lancashire, England
Henry Snape - Son of Thomas Snape
Age: 49 years
Abode: Birch House Walton le Dale
Notes: [Father recorded as] the late Thomas Snape
Buried by: J. C. Kershaw
Register: Burials 1861 - 1880, Page 177, Entry 1412
Source: LDS Film 1526061

I think if he was married it would have said 'wife of'

Followed by -

If henry Snape was 40 in 1869 could this one be his death - possibly a more likely area than Preston

Deaths Jun 1875 (>99%)
Snape Henry 46 Prestwich 8d 246

Hi Meg
I don't know whether this link will work for you but it is the marriage certificate of Henry Snape to Sarah Elizabeth Hughes March 27th 1869 at St Phillips in Salford . Henry living at 10 and Sarah Elizabeth living at no 12 James Street. Henry Snape gives his father as Henry Snape (Shoemaker).

https://www.familysearch.org/s/image/show#uri=http%3A//pilot.familysearch.org/records/trk%3A/fsrs/idgs%3A004470522.004470522_00056&hash=Mrd8SMocDIIen2Q83tu%252B82PRagg%253D

If the links don't work I have copies Meg. If you would like to see them and would trust me with your e-mail address I would be happy to send them to you.

There were 2 possible deaths for Henry Snape before Sarah Elizabeth married George Dean on August 19th 1878 in St Philips in Manchester. It was registered under Sarah Elizabeth Snape and Sarah Elizabeth Hughes on the Lancs BMD.

https://www.familysearch.org/s/image/show#uri=http%3A//pilot.familysearch.org/records/trk%3A/fsrs/idgs%3A004497844.004497844_00419&hash=Mrd8SMocDIIen2Q83tu%252B82PRagg%253D

These are the two most likely deaths for Henry Snape -

Deaths Jun 1878
SNAPE Henry 49 Preston 8e 438

Deaths Jun 1875
Snape Henry 46 Prestwich 8d 246

We favoured the Preston one but someone (I can't remember which page it is on now) found a reference for the Preston death and it gave that Henry Snape's father as Thomas.

Christine, what did you mean by this?

"On reflection though, we think that Henry Snape probably died in 1875 in Prestwich don't we? The death for Henry Snape in June 1878 in Preston that we first favoured gave a different fathers name to the one on the marriage cert."

I wasn't aware that Robert had the death cert of Henry Snape, or the marriage cert of Henry to Elizabeth Hughes.

Or that either of those deaths gave a father's name. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Thank you Magaret xx

Robster xx

Very professional looking website, but not to assume it is correct.

I really don't know any more. JC - any thoughts or has it all gone too far for you? (Hold's up the flag!).

It's gone too far for me.

Meg