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Thanks Mike, You're very good at this. Most helpful

1851

Are you sure about places of birth for your Thomases?

HERRING, Joseph Head Married M 42 1809 Shoe Maker
Maltby
Yorkshire VIEW
HERRING, Sarah Wife F 46 1805
Maltby
Yorkshire VIEW
BOYD, John Lodger Unmarried M 22 1829 Shoe Maker
Huddd
Yorkshire VIEW
IESLEY, Thomas Lodger Unmarried M 26 1825
London
Middlesex VIEW
NORRIS, Thomas M 50 1801 Tailor
London
Middlesex VIEW
NORRIS, Fanny Daughter F 14 1837
London
Middlesex VIEW
NORRIS, Joseph Son M 13 1838
London
Middlesex VIEW
NORRIS, Thomas Son M 11 1840
London
Middlesex VIEW
BUDD, Joseph Lodger M 21 1830
Leeds
Yorkshire VIEW
RG number:
HO107 Piece:
2295 Folio:
292 Page:
12

Registration District:
Huddersfield Sub District:
Huddersfield Enumeration District:
12 Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Municipal Borough:
Huddersfield Address:
Chadwick Fold, Huddersfield County:
Yorkshire (West riding)


Definitely yours in 1861.

NORRIS, Thomas Head Widower M 57 1804 Tailor
Leeds
Yorkshire VIEW
NORRIS, Thomas Son Unmarried M 19 1842 Cotton Spinner
Huddersfield
Yorkshire VIEW
RG number:
RG09 Piece:
3263 Folio:
97 Page:
18

Registration District:
Huddersfield Sub District:
9 Huddersfield Enumeration District:
14 Ecclesiastical Parish:
The Parish Church

Civil Parish:
Huddersfield Municipal Borough:
Address:
18, Spiveys Yard, Huddersfield County:
Yorkshire (West Riding)

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Thomas Norris
Name: Thomas Norris
Estimated birth year: abt 1805
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 80
District: Huddersfield
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 9a
Page: 243

Thanks for the help Moody. Much appreciated.

Possible 1841. I do think this is the same family I've posted on the 1851. I have no idea why they are all transcribed as coming from London though.

1841 England Census
about Thomas Norris
Name: Thomas Norris
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Huddersfield
Hundred: Agbrigg (Upper Division)
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

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Registration district: Huddersfield
Sub-registration district: Huddersfield
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Norris 35 tailor
Ann Norris 30
Bessy Norris 12
John Norris 8
Francis Norris 4 female
Joseph Norris 2


Ann's death?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
about Ann Norris
Name: Ann Norris
Year of Registration: 1847
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Huddersfield
County: Yorkshire - West Riding, West Yorkshire
Volume: 22
Page: 245

Possible marriage for Thomas & Ann?

Groom's Name: Thomas Norris
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Ann Jackson
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 02 May 1827
Marriage Place: Emley,York,England

Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00760-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 844557
Reference Number:



Emley is in
Huddersfield, Yorkshire

Alviegal, yes the 1861 census is the correct Thomas living in Spivey Yard with his son. Later census and grandchildren bear this out. In the 1881 census (2 pages) Thomas 1842 is listed as head and Thomas 1804 is listed as father. Children John William, Joseph and Harry are there as well as wife Mary Ann. There is also a John William Norris who is a nephew. There was a son Thomas b. 1870 who does not appear in this household. I have not found Thomas 1804 in any census prior to 1861.

possible birth for son Joseph could confirm if parents are those in post above:

Births Dec 1838
NORRIS Joseph Huddersfield 22 321

Thanks Moody now i can get a copy of the death cert.

Could this be the Holmes connection re Frances Dyson's sister Ann?

Marriages Sep 1848
Holmes Frederick Huddersfield 22 257
Dyson Ann Huddersfield 22 257


1851 census

Frederick Holmes Head, age 27, carter born Hepworth
Ann Holmes, Wife age 24, born Kirkheaton
Elizabeth Holmes, daughter age 10mths born Cartworth Yorkshire

address:- Holmfirth, Cartworth

Reg. District: Huddersfield
Sub District: Holmfirth
Parish: Cartworth
Enum. District: 4B
Ecclesiastical District: Parochial Chapelry of Holmfirth City/Municipal Borough

Alviegal, interesting! Son Thomas 1842 is born the following year and he is the only child I have a record of. I'll see if I can find anything for another Thomas Norris in 1851. I suppose a member of the 1851 household might have just fancied those answers for the census taker! Either that or there were two families with very conventional taste in names. Thankyou again. I'm going to take a dinner break and think about all of this.

Moody Blue, I think you've got it! I'll have to take a break now and work this all through. You are very helpfull. To think a couple of hours ago I was completely stuck and had been for days. Now I have a number of paths to follow.

This is a possible marriage for daughter Elizabeth.....,,,.in .the year following Frank Holmes birth . Maybe his mother is Elizabeth which would make him a Grand nephew to Frances Warner....I think!

Marriages Mar 1881

HAIGH Herbert Huddersfield 9a 361
HOLMES Elizabeth Huddersfield 9a 361



Frank Holmes birth (brought forward from previous page):

Births Mar 1880
HOLMES Frank Huddersfield 9a 366

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 for Ann Dyson

Name: Ann Dyson
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 11 Feb 1827
Baptism/Christening Place: Kirkheaton, York, England
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: William Dyson
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I03318-2
System Origin: England-EASy
Source Film Number: 990705
Reference Number: 199