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Possible baptism - says William on the transcript, but HENRY WILLIAM on the baptism register itself:

Name: William Leney [Henry William on register]
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1881
Baptism Date: 20 Feb 1881
Father's name: Henry Leney
Mother's name: Elizabeth Martha Leney
Parish or Poor Law Union: Spitalfields Christ Church with St Mary and St Stephen
Borough: Tower Hamlets

Father a Coffee House keeper. Address 30a Brick Lane.

Could this be Henry W's death? Was he deceased on Alfred's marriage cert?

Name: Henry W Leney
Death Registration Month/Year: 1942
Age at death (estimated): 60
Registration district: Essex South Western
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 304

This would give him a birth date of c1882, if it's the right person, and the age on the death cert is accurate.

Forgot to say that as well as Alfred being the right age for the 1922 West Ham birth, Alfred's father Henry William has the right name and middle initial for the father of that child.

We know the mother's maiden name was Tristram, and Ethel Tristram married Henry W Leney in West Ham in 1911, so that all fits, and you do have the right birth for Alfred.

Did the marriage cert say what Alfred's dad did for a living?

Does your boyfriend or his family have any recollections that might help?

Having trouble identifying Henry William Leney in census 1911 - the only Henry William seems too old .

You might need to get hold of the marriage below to get age and parentage of Henry William and be certain of tracing the right line:

Marriages Jun 1911
Arment William P W. Ham 4a 222
xxx Leney Henry W W.Ham 4a 222
Levey Henry W W.Ham 4a 222
Slater Emily L W.Ham 4a 222
xxx Tristram Ethel W.Ham 4a 222


I don't think the below is right one:

LENEY, Henry William Head Single M 51 1860 Farmer Framfield Sussex
CORNICK, Sarah Ann Sister Widow F 56 1855 House Keeper Framfield Sussex
CORNICK, Henry Robert Nephew Single M 27 1884 Gardener Domestic Framfield Sussex

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Registration District:
Ticehurst Sub District:
Wadhurst Enumeration District:
6 Parish:
Wadhurst

Address:
Darbys Wadhurst Sussex

HI Faye,

From what I remember it seemed to be the only likely one. Given the dates, 28 would be the right age for Henry..

Let me know when you get the marriage cert of Sylvia's parents so we can work out which of the two Edward Albert Rusts is her dad (they had differently named fathers in census 1911)

Hi,

I have now received the marriage certificate of Henry Alfred Leney and Sylvia Jessie Rust, 31/3/1951. It shows the fathers to be Edward Albert Rust and Henry William Leney.

On the certificate it states that the age of Henry is 28 and Sylvia is 22, would i be right to assume that this is the same Henry Alfred Leney that was born 22/10/1922 in West Ham?

If someone could help or confirm this I would be very grateful,

Thanks
Faye

If you purchase the marriage cert you will learn Henry's declared age....and his father's details (if known)

That would enable you to follow the correct line with certainty

If the 1922 birth is correct, there appear to be a lot of brothers and sisters.
This could be the parents marriage:
Marriages Jun 1911
Arment William P W. Ham 4a 222
xxx Leney Henry W W.Ham 4a 222
Levey Henry W W.Ham 4a 222
Slater Emily L W.Ham 4a 222
xxx Tristram Ethel W.Ham 4a 222

If Henry Leney was born in 1922, there is this possible death (in the same area as Sylvia):

Henry Leney
Birth Date: 22 Oct 1922
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 2004
Age at death (estimated): 81
Registration district: Waltham Forest
Inferred County: London
Register number: C62
District and Subdistrict: 255/1C
Entry number: 271

James Moran in census 1841:


Name: James Moran
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Gender: Male
Where born: Huntingdonshire, England

Civil Parish: St Neots
Hundred: Toseland
County/Island: Huntingdonshire
Country: England

Registration district: St Neots
Sub-registration district: St Neots

Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Moran 55 c1786 Ireland
Mary Moran 45 c1796 Huntingdonshire, England. Ag lab.
John Moran 20
William Moran 20
Mary Moran 10
>>>James Moran 10

Baptism of Henry Moran?

Name: Henry Moran
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1856
Baptism Date: 21 Sep 1856
Father's name: James Moran
Mother's name: Sarah Moran
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Giles without Cripplegate
Borough: City of London

Father a farrier. Born April 19th (poss 17th) 1856 . Address 2 Trafalgar Place.

Marriage of James and Sarah ?

Name: James Moran - farrier
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Sarah Spence
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 13 Feb 1853
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Lambeth
County: Surrey
Borough: Lambeth
Father Name: Thomas Moran - labourer
Spouse Father Name: Benjamin Spence - tailor

Henry Moran in census 1861:

Name: Henry Moran
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's name: James Moran
Mother's name: Sarah Moran
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwark, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Household schedule number: 263

Household Members: Name Age
James Moran 30 c1831 St Neats, Huntingdonshire, England. Farrier.
Sarah Moran 26 c1835 Brackley, Northamptonshire, England.
>>>>Henry Moran 4 c1857 Southwark, Middlesex, England.
Alfred J Moran 5 MO
George Seward 26 boarder
Alfred Still 20 lodger
Mary Ann Still 22
Emma Still 1

There are at least two possible candidates for Edward A Rust, so not possible to pursue himconfidently without information on his father's name and occupation from his marriage cert:

Births Dec 1904 (>99%)
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Rust Edward Albert Bethnal G. 1c 208

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Births Mar 1905 (>99%)
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Rust Edward Albert Camberwell 1d 932

Marriage of Henry and Emma:

Name: Henry Moran widower Blacksmith
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Emma Waterlow
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 26 May 1901
Parish: Holy Trinity, Mile End Old Town
County: London
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: James Moran deceased blacksmith
Spouse Father Name: John Charles Waterlow cooper

Jessie Emma Moran in 1911:

Only one child born of the marriage, still living 1911.

MORAN, Henry Head Married M 54 1857 Blacksmith London Southwark
MORAN, Emma Sophia Wife Married 9 years F 42 1869 London Old Ford.
MORAN, Jessie Emma Daughter F 7 1904 London Stepney .
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Registration District:
Mile End Old Town Sub District:
Mile End Old Town North Eastern Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Mile End Old Town

Address:
15 Argyle Road E County:
London

Given that Flick has shown that Sylvia is deceased:

Birth:
Name: Sylvia J Rust
Mother's Maiden Surname: Moran
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1928
Registration district: Stepney
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 398

Likely marriage for parents:

Name: Edward A Rust
Spouse Surname: Moran
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1927
Registration district: Stepney
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 464
Spouse: Jessie E Moran Rust Apr-May-Jun 1927 Stepney Middlesex


Likely death for Jessie E Rust nee Moran:

Name: Jessie E Rust
Death Registration Month/Year: 1966
Age at death (estimated): 62
Registration district: Stepney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5e
Page: 137

Likely birth for Jessie E Rust nee Moran.

Birth: Moran Jessie Emma Mile End 1c 493 JAS 1903.

Name: Sylvia Jessie Leney
Birth Date: 26 Apr 1928
Death Registration Month/Year: 1981
Registration district: Waltham Forest
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 15
Page: 0793

have pmed possible birth for Henry Alfred Leney

Have pmed possible marriage for Sylvia's parents.