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16 Jan 2011 10:18 |
Possible baptism - says William on the transcript, but HENRY WILLIAM on the baptism register itself:
Name: William Leney [Henry William on register] Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1881 Baptism Date: 20 Feb 1881 Father's name: Henry Leney Mother's name: Elizabeth Martha Leney Parish or Poor Law Union: Spitalfields Christ Church with St Mary and St Stephen Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father a Coffee House keeper. Address 30a Brick Lane.
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16 Jan 2011 10:20 |
Birth: LENEY Henry William Whitechapel 1c 356 JFM 1881.
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16 Jan 2011 10:22 |
Census 1891:
Name: Henry William Leney Age: 10 Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Relation: Son Father's name: Henry Leney Gender: Male Where born: Spitalfields, London, England Civil Parish: Spitalfields Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: London County/Island: London Country: England
Registration district: Whitechapel Sub-registration district: Mile End New Town Household Members: Name Age Henry Leney 35 c1856 Bethnal Green, London, England. Widower. Eating House Keeper Henry William Leney 10 c1881 Spitalfields, London, England. Mary E Leney 8 Robert D Leney 6 William Leney 61 Grandfather, grandpa c1830 Bethnal Green, London, England.Living on own means. Mary A Leney 60 grandmother, grandma c1831 Bethnal Green, London, England. Living on own means. Martha Morris 15 servant. Address 64 Brick Lane.
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16 Jan 2011 10:32 |
Marriage of Henry William's parents:
Name: Henry Leney - COFFEE HOUSE KEEPER Age: Full Age Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Spouse Name: Elizabeth Martha Neall Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 12 Apr 1879 Parish: St Stephen, Tredegar Road County: Middlesex Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: William Leney - COFFEE HOUSE KEEPER Spouse Father Name: Robert William Neall - Licensed Victualler.
Address for both bride and groom: Bow.
Witnesses : Martha Mary Ann Neale Robert William Neale
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16 Jan 2011 10:36 |
Death of Henry William's mother:
Deaths Mar 1891 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leney Elizabeth Martha 30 Whitechapel 1c 248
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16 Jan 2011 10:38 |
I think you still need to get the 1911 marriage cert to verify name of Henry William's father and his occupation - I think we're moving along the right lines but the marriage cert would provide certainty, at the moment it's still supposition, based on the death cert.
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16 Jan 2011 10:40 |
Possible marriage for Henry William's grandparents:
Name: William Leney - WEAVER Age: Full Age Spouse Name: Mary Ann Nichols Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 20 Oct 1850 Parish: St James the Less, Bethnal Green County: Middlesex Borough: Tower Hamlets Father Name: William Leney - WEAVER Spouse Father Name: Charles William Nichols - MARINER
Grooms address: 12 Little Manchester St Bride's address: 1 Orange St.
Witnesses: Charles William Nichols Sarah Rebecca Nichols
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16 Jan 2011 10:46 |
Baptism of Henry Leney, father of William Henry and son of William:
Register says born March 30th 1856.
Father a weaver.
Name: Henry Leney Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1856 Baptism Date: 20 Apr 1856 Father's name: William Leney Mother's name: Mary Ann Leney Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St Matthew Borough: Tower Hamlets
Address: 49 Wilmot St.
Brother William Charles Leney born Feb 7th 1852 baptised at the same time.
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16 Jan 2011 10:54 |
'Grandpa' William's baptism?:
Name: William Leney Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1830 Baptism Date: 28 Feb 1830 Father's name: William Leney Mother's name: Ann Leney Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St Matthew Borough: Tower Hamlets
Address: Church Row. father William is a weaver.
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16 Jan 2011 10:56 |
Marriage banns of 'grandpa's parents, William senior and Ann?
Name: William Leney Spouse Name: Ann Hana Record Type: Banns Marriage Bann Date: 17 Aug 1828 Parish: Christ Church, Spitalfields County: Middlesex Borough: Tower Hamlets
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16 Jan 2011 11:26 |
Henry William's father, Henry the coffee house keeper, now remarried, in census 1911?
(At least it gives Henry William a connection to the West ham district, if his father and stepmother lived there)
LENEY, Henry Head Married M 55 1856 Retired Coffee House Keeper London Bethnal Green. LENEY, Caroline Wife Married 17 years F 62 1849 London Vauxhall YARNALL, Emma Sister Single F 50 1861 Dressmaker London Millwall -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration District: West Ham Sub District: South Leyton Enumeration District: 23 Parish: Cann Hall Address: 15 Lancaster Road Leytonstone County: Essex No children were born of the marriage.
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16 Jan 2011 11:27 |
Marriage of Henry and second wife Caroline:
Marriages Dec 1893 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Leney Henry Whitechapel 1c 523 Yarnall Caroline Whitechapel 1c 523
Deaths of Henry and Caroline?:
Leney Henry 57 W. Ham 4a 258 Sep 1913
Leney Caroline 71 W. Ham 4a 170 Jun 1921
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16 Jan 2011 11:58 |
Baptism of William Henry's siblings:
Name: Elizabeth Mary Leney Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1882 Baptism Date: 30 Jul 1882 Father's name: Henry Leney Mother's name: Elizabeth Leney Parish or Poor Law Union: Spitalfields Christ Church with St Mary and St Stephen Borough: Tower Hamlets
Name: Robert Alfred Leney Record Type: Baptism Estimated Birth Date: abt 1884 Baptism Date: 22 Jun 1884 Father's name: Henry Leney Mother's name: Elizabeth Martha Leney Parish or Poor Law Union: Spitalfields Christ Church with St Mary and St Stephen Borough: Tower Hamlets
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16 Jan 2011 12:00 |
Robert Alfred Leney also married in West Ham region:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Jun 1907 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>.GODSAVE Martha Emily W.Ham 4a 533 KIMPTON Hilda Mary W. Ham 4a 533 KIMPTON Hilda May W. Ham 4a 533 >>>LENEY Robert Alfred W. Ham 4a 533
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16 Jan 2011 12:03 |
Robert Alfred living in West Ham area in census 1911:
LENEY, Robert Head Married M 26 1885 Nurseryman London Spitalfields. LENEY, Martha Wife Married 4 years F 25 1886 Essex Leytonstone
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration District: West Ham Sub District: South Leyton Enumeration District: 21 Parish: Cann Hall Address: 58 Woodhouse Road Leytonstone One child born, deceased by 1911.
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16 Jan 2011 12:06 |
Second child for Robert Alfred and Martha:
Birth: Leney William H Godsave W.Ham 4a 56 Sep 1912
Death of Robert Alfred:
Name: Robert Alfred Leney Birth Date: 5 Jun 1884 Death Registration Month/Year: 1971 Registration district: Barking Inferred County: Greater London Volume: 5a Page: 90
Death of wife Martha:
Name: Martha Emily Leney Birth Date: 20 Sep 1885 Death Registration Month/Year: 1978 Registration district: Redbridge Inferred County: Greater London Volume: 14 Page: 1334
Death of their son:
Name: William Henry Leney Birth Date: 14 Aug 1912 Death Registration Month/Year: 1979 Registration district: Colchester Inferred County: Essex Volume: 9 Page: 2606
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16 Jan 2011 19:11 |
AT last !!!
I think this is William Henry mistranscribed as Loney in census 1911:
Definitely looks like Leney on the original document. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BURROWS, Charles Head Married 22 years M 46 1865 Licensed Victualler St Lukes Holborn Middlesex BURROWS, Mercy Augustia Wife Married 22 years F 39 1872 Assist Camberwell S E BURROWS, Leonard Charles Son Single M 19 1892 Drapery Assistant Lambeth S E BURROWS, Doris Mercy Daughter Single F 8 1903 School Lambeth S E GABEEL, Ivy Niece Single F 10 1901 School Camberwell S E . ANSELL, Herbert Visitor Half Brother Single M 37 1874 Soldier Serg Clerkenwell Holborn E C . EAST, Grace Florence Servant Single F 18 1893 Barmaid Nunhead VIEW >>>LONEY, Henry William Servant Single M 30 1881 Head Barman Spitalfield Middlesex . SEETCH, William George Servant Single M 22 1889 Head Barman Lambeth Surrey . BRADBROOK, George Arthur Servant Single M 19 1892 Head Barman Northfleet Kent. MILLS, Lizzie Janie Servant Single F 33 1878 Kitchen Maid St Pancras London . SUTTON, Ellen Servant Widow F 45 1866 Cook Domestic Plymouth . HISCOCK, James Charles Nephew Single M 22 1889 Barman Lambeth Surrey . -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Registration District: Camberwell Sub District: Peckham North Enumeration District: 21 Parish: Camberwell Address: 720 Old Kent Road London S E
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16 Jan 2011 19:34 |
Elizabeth Mary (sister of Robert Alfred and Henry William) Leney also married in West Ham area:
Could she have married Thomas Godsave, and if so, is he related to her brother Robert's wife Martha Godsave?
Marriages Jun 1907 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CLAYTON Frederich George W. Ham 4a 165 CLAYTON Frederick George W. Ham 4a 165 GODSAVE Thomas Edward W.Ham 4a 165 >>LENEY Elizabeth Mary W. Ham 4a 165 WOODELL Polly W. Ham 4a 165
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16 Jan 2011 19:43 |
Looks like Elizabeth did marry Thomas Godsave:
Census 1911:
GODSAVE, Thomas Head Married M 29 1882 Nurseryman Leytonstone Essex . >>>GODSAVE, Elizabeth Wife Married 3 years F 28 1883 Spitalfields London GODSAVE, Henry Son M 2 1909 Leytonstone Essex
Registration District: West Ham Sub District: South Leyton Enumeration District: 21 Parish: Cann Hall Address: 58 Woodhouse Road Leytonstone Just the one child born of the 3 yr marriage.
EDIT: Looking back at census 1911 entry for Robert Leney and Martha nee Godsave, the two couples and their families are sharing the same house 58 Woodhouse Rd Leytonstone. both men also worked as nurserymen.
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16 Jan 2011 19:48 |
Census 1891 shows Martha and Thomas Godsave were sister and brother.
Name: Thomas Godsave Age: 9 Estimated birth year: abt 1882 Relation: Son Father's name: Arthur A Godsave Mother's name: Susan Godsave Gender: Male Where born: Leytonstone, Essex, England Civil Parish: Leyton Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Essex Country: England Registration district: West Ham Sub-registration district: Leyton ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Arthur A Godsave 41 Susan Godsave 39 Alfred J Godsave 16 Joseph Godsave 13 Susannah Godsave 11 >>>Thomas Godsave 9 >>>Martha E Godsave 5 Elizabeth Challis 66
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