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3 Jan 2011 07:33 |
His marriage cert is on Ancestry to Harriet Name: Max Myers Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1857 Spouse Name: Harriet Rudland Spouse Age: 22 Record Type: Marriage Marriage Date: 20 Mar 1882 Parish: St Mark, Tollington Park County: Middlesex Borough: Islington Father Name: Morris Myers Spouse Father Name: John Cawood Rudland
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3 Jan 2011 21:39 |
1871 census?????? wonder if this might be the family Name: Morris Myers Age: 48 Estimated birth year: abt 1823 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Marianne Myers Gender: Male Where born: Magdeburg, Prussia [Preußen, Magdebury] Civil Parish: St Pancras
Name: Marianne Myers Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1826 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Morris Myers Gender: Female Where born: Preußen, Magdebury Civil Parish: St Pancras Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Camden Town
Household Members: Name Age Morris Myers 48 Marianne Myers 45 Mase Myers 14*****if someone could check the image i think this might be Max? Julius Myers 12 Alice Myers 8 Fanny Myers 4
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Pancras Sub-registration district: Camden Town
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3 Jan 2011 21:45 |
just looked at marriage cert of 1882 above and witnesses were Alice and Jenny Myers and another Myers could be Julius above and Jenny could be Fanny ! so could be the right family if someone could check images for me and see what you think please
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3 Jan 2011 22:12 |
looked at the original of the 1871 census names seem transcribed correctly
1871 census - household transcription Person: MYERS, Morris Address: College St, Great, Pancras Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born MYERS, Morris Head M 48 1823 Germany (it actually says Magdeburg Prussia) MYERS, Marianne Wife F 45 1826 Germany (again Magdeburg Prussia) MYERS, Mase Son M 14 1857 Germany (again Magdeburg Prussia) MYERS, Julius Son M 12 1859 Germany (Magdeburg Prussia) MYERS, Alice Daughter F 8 1863 Middlesex St Pancras MYERS, Fanny Daughter F 4 1867 Middlesex Hackney
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3 Jan 2011 22:23 |
looking at the 1882 marriage cert I think witnesses were
T.C Rudland (could be J.C or F.C) Alice Myers Julius Myers Fanny Myers (looks a bit like Jenny but the J is different from other J on page)
Max is a Jeweller, address is 44 Arthur Road, father's occupation is traveller Harriet's address 55 New Oxford Street, father's occupation is publican
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3 Jan 2011 23:09 |
Thanks Tempest, Do you think 1871 census and marriage info are the same family?
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3 Jan 2011 23:49 |
I think this could be Max on 1881 census a year before he married Harriet Person: MYERS, Max Address: 522, Oxford St, St Giles In The Fields And St George Bloomsbury Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born KIESS, Daniel Head Married M 43 1838 Watch & Clock Maker Employing 6 Watch & 7 Clock Makers 1 Clerk Baden (Foreign) Germany KIESS, Primer Wife Married F 35 1846 Baden (Foreign) Germany KIESS, Ada Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar Bloomsbury Middlesex KIESS, Emily Daughter Single F 4 1877 Scholar Bloomsbury Middlesex KIESS, Clara Daughter Single F 1 1880 Bloomsbury Middlesex NEW, Charles Single M 42 1839 Watch Maker ?wurtenburg B S Germany KIESS, Carl Brother Single M 21 1860 Watch Maker ?wurtenburg B S Germany MYERS, Max Clerk Single M 34 1847 Clerk ?wurtenburg B S Germany KIESS, Andrew C Cousin Single M 30 1851 Watch Maker Bloomsbury Middlesex KIESS, Leopold Brother Single M 25 1856 Clock Maker Baden Germany FALLER, Andreas Single M 39 1842 Clock Maker Baden (Foreign) Germany MAHLER, Leo Single M 20 1861 Clock Maker Baden Germany WHALE, Emma Servant Single F 16 1865 Clock Maker Lambeth Surrey
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tempest
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3 Jan 2011 23:55 |
and a possible for Harriet, again a year before she married Max
1881 census - household transcription Person: RUDLAND, Harriett Address: 469, The Crown, Oxford St, St Giles In The Fields And St George Bloomsbury Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born RUDLAND, John Head Married M 56 1825 Publican (3 Men 2 Women) Marylebone Middlesex RUDLAND, Harriett Wife Married F 54 1827 Cheddington Kent RUDLAND, Harriett Daughter Single F 21 1860 Barmaid Paddington Middlesex TIGGARD, Ada Servant Single F 20 1861 Barmaid Pimlico Middlesex EBBS, Charles T Servant Single M 24 1857 Barman St Giles Middlesex LENTON, Harriett Servant Single F 15 1866 Domestic Servant Paddington Middlesex
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4 Jan 2011 06:18 |
Tempest and Jansmith Thank you both for all the extra information. That certainly looks like the family in 1871,so it gives me the parents names and more about the origins of the family. It seems that Max snr only became a publican through his wife,Harriet.. A lot seems to tie in now. Max junior married a dancer,a 'Tiller Girl'...now I know they probably met as the pub was in the Haymarket where the theatres are. Also he became a sort of publican...had the club at \Battersea Funfair.and several of the fair rides too. Could be that if his fgrandather was a traveller.maybe connected to fairs?? You have given me so much to go on. Thank you very much Lara
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