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1891 England Census
Name: Francis Chamley
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Adopted Son
Gender: Male
Where born: N
Civil Parish: St John The Evangalist Westminster
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 88 Vauxhall B??? [Bridge Rd according to the enumerator's description.]

Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: St John Westminster
Household Members: Name Age
George Chamley 56 - married; Traveller; Poona, East Indies
Francis Chamley 10

Have you found Ellen & the other twin?

i found my great grandfather on the 1891 census aged 10 years living with George Chamley age 56 years at St George Hanover Square St John Westminster (Francis said to be an adopted son)

Samantha

Have you found any of them on the 1881 and 1891 censuses?

This was my theory that shes a bigamist which as my husband said to me last night that if this is the case i never will be able to prove who the children belonged to.

Samantha

These are the only Vicary twins born at that time in London/Surrey. What reasons did they give for them being the wrong ones? The mother could have been using a false name if she was a bigamist!
Katie

Hi Katie

Yes that is the twins, i have their birth certs and they are the correct names

Samantha

Hi Ann

The twins were born Hospital York Rd, Lambeth.
The marriage for Vicary to Taylor was also Lambeth.
The death for George Chamley was 38 Compton Street, Pancras

Samantha

Is this the twins birth in Surrey?
Births Sep 1880
VICARY Frances Edwina W Lambeth 1d 353
VICARY Francis Bryant W Lambeth 1d 353

Hi Kate

No we have had this problem before with these three, children have the same names but the mother is not correct . i wrote to Vicary One-Name Study who looked into this and he said that they were the wrong ones as well

Samantha

Is this them in 1881? No husband present,

BISHOP, James Head Married M 50 1831 Glass Cutter Manuf
Strand Middlesex
BISHOP, Matilda Wife Married F 50 1831
Pimlico Middlesex
BISHOP, James E Son Single M 23 1858 Mineral Water Labourer
Newington Surrey
BISHOP, John Son Single M 20 1861 Coal Carman Out Of Employ
Newington Surrey
BISHOP, Emma Daughter Single F 18 1863 Ginger Beer Trade
Newington Surrey
BISHOP, George Son Single M 10 1871 Scholar
Newington Surrey
BISHOP, Caroline Daughter Single F 9 1872 Scholar
Newington Surrey
BISHOP, Frank Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar
Newington Surrey
BISHOP, Arthur Son Single M 5 1876
Newington Surrey
BISHOP, Herbert Son Single M 3 1878
Newington Surrey
COLE, Harriet Lodger Widow F 56 1825 Charwoman
N K Essex
VICARY, Ann Lodger Head Married F 22 1859 Milliner
Camberwell Surrey
VICARY, Francis Son Single M 0 1881
Battersea Surrey
VICARY, Frances Daughter Single F 0 1881
Battersea Surrey

RG number:
RG11 Piece:
554 Folio:
28 Page:
50

Registration District:
St Saviour Southwark Sub District:
St Mary Newington Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Newington Municipal Borough:
Address:
6, Williams Place, Newington County:
Surrey

Where did all this happen?
Katie

My Great Grandfather was born 3rd September 1880
His name on the birth cert says - Francis Bryant Warren
He was one of twins
His fathers name on the birth cert says - Allen Thomas James Vicary
and the mothers name is - Ellen Jane Vicary formerly Taylor

But on their marriage cert he is named as - Thomas John Vicary
married to - Ellen Jane Taylor on the 23rd June 1878

Is this normal for the names to change slightly????

Also my great grandfathers surname later in life changed from Vicary to Chamley, but i have found a marriage for Ellen Jane Taylor to George Edward Chamley but this is March 1873 which is five years before her marriage to the Vicary man and on George Chamleys death cert that i have it also states that Ellen Jane Chamley was present at the death and was his widow and thats dated the 1st December 1900.

So why marry husband no1 in 1873, husband no 2 in 1878 have twins in 1880 under the name of husband no 2 and still be with husband no 1 in 1900 time of his death and the children have their names changed from Vicary to Chamley????

Can anyone shed some light on this for me please

Samantha