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cant find a trace of my gt gt gt grandfather, james gregory richards. believe he was born in sussex in 1791 or thereabouts. and was a shoemaker by trade. his wife was sarah, surname unknown.

his name is on the marriage certificate of his son, john richards, august 24th 1864. in st pancras, london. and had already died at that time. john richards married eliza keeble. according to census she was born in woodbridge suffolk. at the time of the marriage she was living in aldenhum str, st pancras. her father is shown as william keeble, a labourer.

i would also like any information on eliza keeble, and where she lived in woodbridge before she went to live in london.

,any help greatly appreciated. with my thanks.xx

Where and when was JOHN born?

WHEN was Eliza born?

OK...found the answers myself

1871 census

Name: John Richards
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eliza Richards
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: Islington St David
Ecclesiastical parish: St David
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 55
Household schedule number: 75
Household Members: Name Age
John Richards 28
Eliza Richards 29
Eliza A Richards 5
John W Richards 4
John W Richards 5 Weeks

1871 England Census about Eliza Richards
Name: Eliza Richards
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: John Richards
Gender: Female
Where born: Woodbridge, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Islington St David
Ecclesiastical parish: St David
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 55
Household schedule number: 75
Household Members:
Name Age
John Richards 28
Eliza Richards 29
Eliza A Richards 5
John W Richards 4
John W Richards 5 Weeks

Which makes James in his 50s when John born.

There is no death record on freebmd or Ancestry for James Gregory Richards, which means that, if the name is correct, he died pre-1837............and couldn't have fathered John born 1842/3

1851

Name: John Richards
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's name: James Richards
Mother's name: Sarah Richards
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Marylebone

Civil Parish: Paddington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: St Mary Paddington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 328
Household Members: Name Age
James Richards 60 born Sussex.............Occ: Shoe Maker
Sarah Richards 44 born Buckinghamshire
Thomas Richards 19 born Buckinghamshire
Elizabeth Richards 15 " " "
Levina Richards 13 born Marylebone
John Richards 9
Maria Richards 9
Edwin Richards 7
Alfred Richards 4
Martha Richards 1
Susan Christy 29

So is this who you seem to think his family is?
1851 census transcription details for: 7, Braithwaite Place, Paddington, St Marylebone
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1466 Folio: 50 Page: 1


Reg. District: Kensington Sub District: St Mary Paddington
Parish: Paddington Enum. District: 1B
Ecclesiastical District: St Mary's City/Municipal Borough: St Marylebone
Address: 7, Braithwaite Place, Paddington, St Marylebone
County: Middlesex
RICHARDS, James Head Married M 60 1791 Shoe Maker
Sussex
RICHARDS, Sarah Wife Married F 44 1807 Shoe Maker Wife
Buckinghamshire
RICHARDS, Thomas Son Unmarried M 19 1832 Shoe Maker
Buckinghamshire
RICHARDS, Elizabeth Daughter Unmarried F 15 1836 Shoe Maker Daughter
Buckinghamshire
RICHARDS, Kevina (Lavinia?) Daughter Unmarried F 13 1838 Shoe Maker Daughter
Marylebone
RICHARDS, John Son M 9 1842 Shoe Maker Son
Marylebone
RICHARDS, Maria Daughter F 9 1842 Shoe Maker Daughter
Paddington
RICHARDS, Edwin Son M 7 1844 Shoe Maker Son
Paddington
RICHARDS, Alfred Son M 4 1847 Shoe Maker Son
Paddington
RICHARDS, Martha Daughter F 1 1850 Shoe Maker Daughter
Paddington
CHRISTY, Susan Servant Married F 24 1827 Servant
Essex


Maureen

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Possible (only that) entries from the IGI

JAMES RICHARDS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 AUG 1792 Harting, Sussex, England

JAMES RICHARDS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 APR 1791 Upmarden, Sussex, England

~~~~~~~to Maureen

1841

Name: Thomas Richards
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1832
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England


Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub-registration district: St John
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Richards 50
Sarah Richards 30
James Richards 16
Ann Richards 14
Sarah Richards 13
Mary Richards 12
Thomas Richards 9
William Richards 8
Elizabeth Richards 6
Lavinia Richards 4
John Richards 1

OK-THIS is your fellow,I think. (Matches up with the marriage address and occupation):
1861 census transcription details for: 35, Hampden Street, Pancras
Name: John Richards
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Mary Ann Richards
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Somers Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 96
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Ann Richards 45
J M Richards 21
John Richards 18 Occ:Apprentice painter
William Richards 14
Louisa Richards 12
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 112; Folio: 54; Page: 14

So the "info" originally posted is nothing more than speculation?

Starting again, using your info, Maureen (Thank you)

1851

Name: Louisa Richards
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: James Richards
Mother's name: Mary Richards
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: St Sepulchre, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Sepulchre
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: West London
Sub-registration district: West London North
ED, institution, or vessel: 3c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 14
Household Members: Name Age
James Richards 50 born DEVON........Occ: Managing Baker
Mary Richards 36 born Tower Hamlets
James Richards 11
John Richards 8
William Richards 4
Louisa Richards 1
Edward Layland 40
James Wake 25
Frederick Lose 26

A few baptisms with these parents (but don't see John)
Name: James William Richards
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1839
Baptism Date: 10 Nov 1839
Father's name: James Grigg Richards
Mother's name: Mary Ann Richards
Parish or Poor Law Union: Holborn St Sepulchre
Borough: City of London

Maureen

1841

Name: James Richards
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Gender: Male

Civil Parish: St Sepulchre Without Newgate
Hundred: London Without the Walls
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: West London
Sub-registration district: North
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Saml Grose 40
Thomas Wells 25
William Marrack 20
James Richards 40
Mary Richards 30
James Richards 1
Thomas Richards 3 MO
Elizabeth Clark 15
William Donnell 20

Marriages Jun 1839 (>99%)
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ASKHAM Charlotte West London 2 222
CANNON Mary Anne West London 2 222 ***********************
DAVISON Andrew West London 2 222
ELLIOTT Emma W. London 2 222
FOREMAN Harriet Eliza West London 2 222
PATTEN William West London 2 222
RICHARDS James Wt. London 2 222 **********************
STYLES John Wt. London 2 222

Name: James Grigg Richards
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1853
Burial Date: 30 Jan 1853
Age: 51
Estimated birth year: abt 1802
Parish or Poor Law Union: Westcheap St Peter
Borough: City of London
County: London
82 Snowhill

Maureen

Dorothy didn't hang around, did she?

Great spot, Maureen..................