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Ah, lancashireAnn, I see her maiden name now. Like Angela, it didn't click before.

And the Chapels address is also on 1841 census. Excellent, Ann, you 'done good'!

Ozi

Angela, I assume you haven't seen this as you say you've gone up to 1891. Now the elder William must be Thomas Robinson's brother on 1841 surely?

1901 England Census
Name: Margaret Robinson
Age: 72
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Aunt
Gender: Female
Where born: Pennington, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Kirkby Ireleth
Ecclesiastical parish: Kirkby Ireleth
Town: Sandside
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Herchiell Terrace

Occupation: Living on own means (Retired)

Condition as to marriage: widowed

Registration district: Ulverston
Sub-registration district: West Broughton
Household Members: Name Age
Wm H Robinson 35 - Single; Manager Coop Stores;Kirkby Ireleth
Sarah E Rubinson 31 - Single; sister; Housekeeper; Kirkby Ireleth
John Robinson 37 - Single; brother; Locomotive Engine Driver (Railway); Broughton in Furness, Lancashire
George Robinson 29 - Single; brother; Locomotive Engine Fireman (Railway); Kirkby Ireleth, Lancashire
William Robinson 70 - Uncle; widowed; Bobbin maker; Whitehaven, Cumberland
Margaret Robinson 72

name: William Robinson
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 27 Jun 1830
baptism/christening place: SAINT JAMES,WHITEHAVEN,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND
father's name: John Robinson
mother's name: Sarah

indexing project (batch) number: P01280-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 90681

1891 England Census
Name: William Robinson
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Kendal
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Kendal
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England
Street address: 10 Colonel Square

Occupation: Bobbin Turner

Condition as to marriage: widowed

Registration district: Kendal
Sub-registration district: Kendal
Household Members: Name Age
William Robinson 60

Living on his own.



1881 England Census
Name: William Robinson
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Cumberland, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Kendal
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England
Street address: Yard 183 No 10, Highgate

Occupation: Bobbin Turner

Condition as to marriage: Widowed

Registration district: Kendal
Sub-registration district: Kendal
Household Members: Name Age
William Robinson 50
John Robinson 20 - joiner
Sarah Ann Robinson 15-- Housekeeper



1871 England Census
Name: William Robinson
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann Robinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Over Staveley
Ecclesiastical parish: Staveley
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England
Street Address: Fell Foot Cottages

Occupation: Bobbin Turner

Registration district: Kendal
Sub-registration district: Ambleside
Household Members: Name Age
William Robinson 40
Ann Robinson 43 - Kendal, Westmorland
John Robinson 10 - Kendal, Westmorland
Sarah Ann Robinson 5 - Preston, Lancashire



1861 England Census
Name: William Robinson
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann Robinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Whitheaven, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Nether Staveley
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England
Street address: Cottage Beek Si_e

Occupation: Bobbin turner

Registration district: Kendal
Sub-registration district: Ambleside
Household Members: Name Age
William Robinson 30
Ann Robinson 32
John Robinson 5 MO



Not sure this is him.
1851 England Census
Name: William Robinson
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Lodger
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: Whitehaven
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Whitehaven
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street address: Quay Street

Occupation: Groom ????

Condition as to marriage: unmarried

Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub-registration district: Harrington
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary McFarlain 42
John McFarlain 18
Ellen McFarlain 16
Hannah McFarlain 14
William McFarlain 12
James McFarlain 10
Thomas McFarlain 5
William Robinson 20

And really going out on a limb here .... If William the elder and Margaret are uncle and aunt to William H then probably William H's father is a brother of Thomas too.



Aha! Thomas, William & James are altogether on the 1841 census.

1871 England Census
Name: James Robinson
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eleanor Robinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkby Ireleth, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Kirkby Ireleth
Ecclesiastical parish: Kirkby Ireleth
Town: Beckside
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Beckside

Occupation: Slate River (Slate River: Was employed to cleave blocks of quarried slate in the making of slates for roofing etc. (River pronounced as in diver) )

Registration district: Ulverston
Sub-registration district: West Broughton
Household Members: Name Age
James Robinson 33
Eleanor Robinson 33
John Robinson 7
William H Robinson 5
Thomas Robinson 3
Sarah E Robinson 1




1861 England Census
Name: James Robinson
Age: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1837
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Sarah Pearson
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkby Ireleth, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Kirkby Ireleth
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Marshside

Occupation: Slate Quarryman

Registration district: Ulverston
Sub-registration district: West Broughton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Pearson 56
James Robinson 24
Henry Pearson 12

1881 England Census
Name: James Robinson
Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eleanor Robinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkby Ireleth, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Kirkby Ireleth
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Soutergate Cottage

Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Manager At Co Op Stores
Registration district: Ulverston
Sub-registration district: West Broughton
Household Members: Name Age
James Robinson 43
Eleanor Robinson 43
John Robinson 17
William H. Robinson 16 - Assistant At Co Op Stores
Thomas Robinson 13
Sarah E. Robinson 11
George Robinson 9
Joseph Robinson 6
Robert Robinson 4
Elizabeth J. Robinson 1



1891 England Census
Name: James Robinson
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkby Ireleth, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Kirkby Ireleth
Ecclesiastical parish: Kirkby Ireleth
Town: Hershel Terrace
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Herschal Terrace [Same place as William H in 1901?]

Occupation: Grocer

Condition as to marriage: widowed

Registration district: Ulverston
Sub-registration district: West Broughton
Household Members: Name Age
James Robinson 53
Sarah E Robinson 21
Joseph Robinson 16
Robert Robinson 14
Elizabeth J Robinson 11

Angela, I think you've made a mistake with this post of yours with the birth year of the Thomas in 1891 as you said

From the informaton given Ive plotted the famiy from 1851until 1891 Do you have acess to 1911 census. Ive got Thomasborn 1829 married to Eleanor Taylor in 1891 they Have Thomas, Henry, Margaret Eleanor , Edith as the children living in 37
Raglan Street Barrow . Regards Angela

This appears to be the family, Thomas born 1863.

Name: Thomas Robinson
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eleanor Robinson
Mother's name: Margaret Robinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Barrow, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Barrow in Furness
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Barrow
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Barrow In Furness
Sub-registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Robinson 28
Eleanor Robinson 28
Thomas G Robinson 8
John T Robinson 7
Marton C Robinson 5
Henry A Robinson 3
Margaret E Robinson 1
Edith M Robinson 6/12
Margaret Robinson 62 mother
John Jardine 24 All last 4 boarders
Peter Southworth 23
John Bassler 30
William B Fox 20

And in 1901. 37, Raglan Street

Name: Thomas Robinson
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Eleanor Robinson
Gender: Male
Where born: Barrow, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Barrow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: Barrow in Furness
Sub-registration district: Barrow in Furness
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 146
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Robinson 38
Eleanor Robinson 40
John T Robinson 17
Martin C Robinson 15
Henry A Robinson 13
Margaret E Robinson 11
Edith M Robinson 10
Rose A Robinson 9
Edward W Robinson 7
Alfred J Robinson 4
Robert F Robinson 1
Frederick H Robinson 5 Months
Joseph Steel 40

I can't view the 1911 but Thomas still appears to be in Barrow, possible household from a free search.

HOUSEHOLD ROBINSON THOMAS M 1863 48 Barrow in Furness Lancashire


HOUSEHOLD ROBINSON ALFRED JAMES M 1896 15 Barrow in Furness Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD ROBINSON EDWARD WILLIAM M 1894 17 Barrow in Furness Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD ROBINSON ELENOR F 1862 49 Barrow in Furness Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD ROBINSON JOHN M 1884 27 Barrow in Furness Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD ROBINSON MARGARET ELENOR F 1890 21 Barrow in Furness Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD ROBINSON ROBERT FRANCIS M 1900 11 Barrow in Furness Lancashire
HOUSEHOLD ROBINSON VIOLET F 1887 24 Barrow in Furness Lancashire

Christine

Yes, Angela typed Thomas snr's dob instead of Thomas jnr. However it's still the same family as Margaret is with her son in 1891, but with her nephew in 1901.

Ozi

Looks like son/grandson, John, married Violet.

Marriages Sep 1908
HANNAH Arthur Barrow F. 8e 1785
ROBINSON John Taylor Barrow F. 8e 1785 <<<<<
SARGENT Violet Tyson Barrow F. 8e 1785 <<<<<
SWARBRICK Lily Barrow F. 8e 1785




Births Sep 1914
Robinson Violet M Sargent Barrow F. 8c 1467

you've been working hard while I have been sleeping Ozibird

going by age this is Eleanors death reg

Deaths Sep 1888 (>99%)
ROBINSON Eleanor 50 Ulverston 8e 469

wow what a help you have all been now im going to try and sort this out.
Ive got john Robinson married to sarah born abt.1808.
Son thomas born beckermet 1829. thomas married Margaret in 1855.
They had a son thomas born 1863 married to Eleanor Taylor in 1882.
they had Edith mary robinson whowas my grandmother.
Thanks again for your help do you agree ive got thtis right. regards Angela

Looks right to me Angela

Yes, that looks right according to the info found except for John's dob.

The burial notice that Ann found has him dying in 1837 at 33 years making his dob c1804. Sarah is 46 years in 1851 making her dob c1805.


Ozi

Hi All Thanks for confirming that I have it right is gets very confusing at times. Is there anyone that has access to 1911 census to confirm where the family were living?
Anyway Ive so much information on my dads family now thats wonderful
Regads Angela

Because John & Sarah have a son William, I wondered about this christening. There are other John Robinson's c1804/5 but they were born closer to Carlisle.

John Robinson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 22 Jul 1804
residence: Cumberland, England
parents: William Robinson, Hannah

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: John Robinson
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 26 Jul 1804
baptism/christening place: ARLECDON,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND [Abt 8.5 miles from Haile, and about 6 miles from Whitehaven where son, William, was born.]
birth date: 22 Jul 1804
father's name: William Robinson
mother's name: Hannah
indexing project (batch) number: C03675-2
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 90555




William Robinson
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
residence: Cumberland, England
parents: John Robinson, Sarah

record title: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
name: William Robinson
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 27 Jun 1830
baptism/christening place: SAINT JAMES,WHITEHAVEN,CUMBERLAND,ENGLAND
father's name: John Robinson
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: P01280-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 90681

Hi Ozibird
I Have no record of a brother called William to Thomas I cantfind them on the 1841 census can you ?
Angela

Hi Ozibird
I Have no record of a brother called William to Thomas I cantfind them on the 1841 census can you ?
Angela

On page 1 of this thread.

1841 England Census
Name: Thomas Robinson
Age: 73
Estimated birth year: abt 1768 [Abt 1828]
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Kirkby Ireleth
Hundred: Lonsdale (North of the Sands)
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Irelethfleet Chapels

Registration district: Ulverstone
Sub-registration district: West Broughton
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Robinson 36 - Independent
Thomas Robinson 73 [13 on image]
William Robinson 10 <<<<<<<<
Ellena Robinson 8
Elisabeth Robinson 6
James Robinson 4

Hi Ozibird
m not so sure this is the family as my thomas born in 1828 /1829 is not on the census ? what do you think ?
Regards Angela

What do you mean? The 1841? Yes, he is. Mistranscribed age. I've corrected it.

Ozi